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Maybe you should do less 'work'

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Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

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post #5

Getting my task completed at my own pace makes me feel good. Often that is fast and on time. In my heart, when I touch the keyboard, I feel like a greyhound dog with a little Bob Ross afro - it can be a race, a competition, but it is also an expression of my art. This article makes me feel bad because in the authors world, people like me are relegated to worker bee monkies trying to please the bossman due to patholog…

> This article makes me feel bad because in the authors world, people like me are relegated to worker bee monkies trying to please the bossman due to pathology or some such delusion.

Is this a new kind of brag? Maybe an “offense brag”? This article makes me, a very conscientious and productive person, feel offended because it tells me that I should chill out a little. (Except that’s not what it says; more on that later.)

> Doing my tasks diligently and in a timely manner affords me more time to relax, review what I have created, and enjoy it rather than drag myself to the next task.

From the article:

> If you can meet these expectations in fewer hours than you are supposed to work, then you shouldn't just find more to do. Instead you should do something different.

Completing tasks in a speedy manner makes it so that you don’t have to rush to the next task. Seems in line with the article.

> When did we become so not only complacent but also discouraging of any genuine effort?

From the article:

""" If you optimally fill your time at work doing 'work' work, then this means that you are likely:

- Not developing other skills

- Not building your network inside the company as well as you could

- Probably working less efficiently than you could

- Unable to respond to new or changing demands without working longer hours or stopping something else that you think you need to do. See the ongoing supply chain crisis for why you should have some slack in your system. """

Two of those points are about working on other things than whatever narrow task that you are assigned. So apparently it’s not about being complacent at all.

Don’t fret. This is HN. We are all A-type, elite white collar workers at this place.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

#152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These concerns, in many forms, have been present for years, however we were once instilled with the instinct to overcome, but now frailty is more valued because even in failure you can not criticize those who are less able. Actually I think you are totally off base here. I know in my cohort of age 30+ millennials there is a strong sense of doom. Many people have the attitude of "why should I have kids when they'll…

My 10 year old feels this way. His depiction of the future is far more pessimistic than mine was at his age, and the conditions under which I grew up were objectively worse compared to his present circumstances (he has his own room, multiple electronic devices, gaming consoles, etc. etc., typical middle-class). There seems to be a persistent message saying “buckle your belts, things are going to get worse” across all…

Even getting past climate change gloom, present economic situations don’t inspire much confidence. College admissions seem much more stringent than they were a decade or two ago, never mind the rising tuitions, the debt obligations, and so on. Housing prices continue to climb. A lot has happened since the Great Recession.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

#153

This is very solid advice. Once you become so productive that you don't need all of your working hours to do your job, you should spend that time on skill acquisition - either learning about something adjacent that you don't do daily or learn something that will be required for the next level (if that is your goal) This is the only sane way I have found to progress in a tech career. The daily and weekly learning real…

This is why I roll my eyes out of their sockets when I hear a recruiter or job description that mentions years of experience as a qualification.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

#154

I agree with the content of the article, but I don’t agree with the premise that these things aren’t also “work”. Engineers tend to obsess over, “focused work” like it’s the only way to be productive, and anything that’s not “focused work” is wasted time. That is a surefire way to burn out. Instead, finding ways to “riff” on your job by doing work with longer time horizons of payoff keeps your job fun. It’s all “work…

For me, I think it was related to conflating my value as am employee to being able to efficiently and effectively complete tasks to a high standard in a short amount of time. It felt like if I wasn't producing enough tangible results fast enough, I wasn't doing a "good enough job". It didn't really matter if it was a day/week/month where I was absolutely crushing it, or a time period where I was having a hard time focusing; the end goal was the same. The internal satisfaction, if you can call it that, was accomplishing tasks. It wasn't (usually) to the point of overwork or burnout.

But the problem was, I never considered my own growth. It never felt like a good use of time to take on more challenging projects because I wouldn't get the same sense of accomplishment. It would be hard, I wouldn't have much to show for myself for a few weeks, and so on.

Obviously this is all subconscious, you don't realize you're choosing things you're good at, or an expert on. Expertise feels nice! And, to be fair, not everyone's employers give them the freedom to choose/learn/grow that many of us enjoy.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

#155
post #22

I think for people who don’t agree with the article, perhaps seeking jobs that are outcome based are ideal. For those that are output based, I think it’s totally reasonable to cut back strategically.

Why the difference? Most places that talk about outcomes are really measuring outputs, just with more secret sauce in how it's measured (still based on the perception of the bosses).

Most places that measure outputs are not driving business results, they are measuring the wrong things and even promoting the wrong people.

Outputs = Productivity. How much stuff you do.

Outcomes = Efficiency. How much useful stuff you do.

Don't aim to get more stuff done (productivity), rather aim to have less stuff to do (focus / efficiency). Do more with less. Frequent activity & context switching is hardly tied to achievement.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

#156

You are the boss of a company of one. Your company sells labor to the labor market, it makes investments in assets, it borrows funds, etc. It’s your job to decide how that company is run. It’s your job to decide what investments that company needs to make to get good returns. It’s also your job to interpret the contracts your company enters into and decide what is acceptable, and to appropriately risk-manage legal ha…

> When you truly internalise that fact is when you become an adult.

When you truly internalise that life is about making money, that you need to make a good return for your stakeholders (aka family), etc is the day when you have been fully assimilated into the borg.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

#157
post #43

I think for people who don’t agree with the article, perhaps seeking jobs that are outcome based are ideal. For those that are output based, I think it’s totally reasonable to cut back strategically.

It's funny, ever since I dedicated the morning to normal duties and afternoons to growth and development, I deliver results faster. Could be that I only use 4 hours to do all my work so I plan better and action faster.

Yeah exactly. Knowledge work is much less about the actual work we do. We're regularly on the clock having our brains work whether we like it or not. This focused and diffused time is crucial to be effective.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a boss who became a friend that borrowed me $30k on 24 hours notice, made me a partner at their startup, and was the best man at my wedding. n=1 Rare? Absolutely, but so is finding good people in general. Gather whatever signal you can, and keep rolling the dice, just as you would with friendships and romantic relationships.

except finding a boss is a tedious process vs swiping right.

Sounds like an idea for a new employment app. Maybe HN specific to map the who users of the monthly employees threads to profiles, then swipe for an interview.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

#159
post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These concerns, in many forms, have been present for years, however we were once instilled with the instinct to overcome, but now frailty is more valued because even in failure you can not criticize those who are less able. Actually I think you are totally off base here. I know in my cohort of age 30+ millennials there is a strong sense of doom. Many people have the attitude of "why should I have kids when they'll…

> boomerisms Kind of ironic, given that "boomers" lived under the 4 decades long threat of total nuclear war. Frankly, as an instance of those "age 30+ millenials", that would instill a far stronger sense of doom in me than the rather gradual, rather benign (compared to WW3 between the US and the USSR) effects of climate change.

Nuclear armaggedon is avoidable with some luck and enough safeguards. Catastrophic climate change is inevitable at our current trajectory.

Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'

#160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a boss who became a friend that borrowed me $30k on 24 hours notice, made me a partner at their startup, and was the best man at my wedding. n=1 Rare? Absolutely, but so is finding good people in general. Gather whatever signal you can, and keep rolling the dice, just as you would with friendships and romantic relationships.

except finding a boss is a tedious process vs swiping right.

There is a startup idea in there.
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