Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Learn about new tech" is only one of a great many other things. Cultivating your relationships professionally is also "work", as is talking to your customers, reviewing and discussing code, writing about and showing others what you've built, keeping your resume and interview skills sharp, staring up at the ceiling and thinking about work, etc.
Yeah, and most of that similarly doesn't count when it's time for the chips to fall.
Maybe you should do less 'work'
121–130 of 431 posts
Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had a boss who became a friend that borrowed me $30k on 24 hours notice, made me a partner at their startup, and was the best man at my wedding. n=1 Rare? Absolutely, but so is finding good people in general. Gather whatever signal you can, and keep rolling the dice, just as you would with friendships and romantic relationships.
except finding a boss is a tedious process vs swiping right.
Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Find better bosses and employers. They are out there.
How does one go about this? You interview your boss in the interview process and get a feel for what type of preson he is and then go with that gut feeling yes/no when your current boss leaves and you get a new boss that you don't like. Quit and go back to step 1. Does anyone operate like this? doesn't seem very practical or foolproof.
If you accept the above as true, then you can start to reach out to team members at the company and ask them what the work environment is like.
If the work environment lines up with your values, then you'll probably be fine, even when the hiring manager moves on to greener pastures.
Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, and most of that similarly doesn't count when it's time for the chips to fall.
I wonder if the same is true for other professions as well? Athletes must have to design their entire lives around a few minutes of competition. Surgeons need to train for years, and all that is evaluated is the patient outcome in the operating room. Lawyers need to train, study, and prepare, and only the court outcome matters. Maybe this is an unfair parallel, but I cannot see why.
Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
We aren't really talking about overtime though, which also exists in the US, but the amount of output during a normal 8 hour day. You might get paid somewhat more than a peer for putting out 2x the output but there are massive diminishing returns.
What I was responding to literally talked about "work hours increase". I don't see how you can have "work hours increase" and simultaneously keep the same "normal 8 hour day". That sounds contradictory to me.
Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're wrong. These concerns, in many forms, have been present for years, however we were once instilled with the instinct to overcome, but now frailty is more valued because even in failure you can not criticize those who are less able. Those appearing less able while still managing to overcome, even when due to random chance, results in more peer accolades and ironic fanfare in the face of adversity or some other d…
> These concerns, in many forms, have been present for years, however we were once instilled with the instinct to overcome, but now frailty is more valued because even in failure you can not criticize those who are less able. Actually I think you are totally off base here. I know in my cohort of age 30+ millennials there is a strong sense of doom. Many people have the attitude of "why should I have kids when they'll…
There seems to be concerted effort to prepare these kids to expect less than previous generations. Parents can only do so much to block these influences.
Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'
#127Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'
#128Getting my task completed at my own pace makes me feel good. Often that is fast and on time. In my heart, when I touch the keyboard, I feel like a greyhound dog with a little Bob Ross afro - it can be a race, a competition, but it is also an expression of my art. This article makes me feel bad because in the authors world, people like me are relegated to worker bee monkies trying to please the bossman due to patholog…
> When did we become so not only complacent but also discouraging of any genuine effort? It is as if everyone is so aloof that if you show any effort or appreciation of your craft that you're societally[sic] acknowledging your own serfdom or that you're serving "the man".
In my decades long experience in corporate programming, when people accuse everyone around them of not putting in enough effort one of two things are happening.
The first, which is very rare, is that you are truly in a dead end job with a toxic work environment. If this is the environment you're in and you aren't looking for the first exit and interviewing constantly, frankly, you deserve to stay there and suffer. You may succeed in the short term but only because you'd have to dig 6 feet into the ground to find the bar. Your managers only see you as a resource to exploit before you burn out and fall to the same level as your co-workers.
The second, and this is the most common, is that you are sprinting constantly and have yet to develop any sense of work/life balance. In essence, you're convinced the world itself is insane and you are the only one truly "working". You are on the path to burnout and the people who are "aloof" are actually trying to help you find a path to long term work over decades.
Mind you, maybe you just work in bursts. You find a high pay/high pressure cooker of a job, throw yourself into it till you just can't, and then take a year long sabbatical. I don't know you, but I've seen these sentences so many times and 90% of the time it's the same unawareness and inexperience with maintaining a sustainable level of work.
I'm not trying to attack you here. I am trying to impress upon you that I was once of the same opinion as you. Through the years I've become more open to the idea that that Good Work Ethic is mostly a product of Capitalist Propagandizing (TM) starting as early as primary school.
Even though I maintain and am praised consistently for my "work ethic", I am keenly aware of the constant pressure to produce more value for a vanishingly smaller share of that value. That awareness makes me able to make better decisions about how much and for how long to disturb the equilibrium of work/not-work, and how much time a task takes at both a sustainable pace and at a "crunch" pace.
Burn out and the more obvious visible symptoms take years to set in, and then it takes almost as long to counteract, if you can at all. Some people burn out permanently and never truly recover. It's just better to not get to that point at all.
The ways around this are individual, because what is sustainable is individual. One co-worker works roughly 4 10 hour days and is available-but-not-working on Fridays. Another is very strict about having a 3 day weekend every month. One often works lightly during the week and then works Saturday when they can have more heads down time.
TL;DR: If you feel that everyone around you is telling you you're working too hard, you probably need to assess the sustainability of your level of work. You may or may not need to make changes, but (again, in my experience across tens of years and companies) you almost certainly need to put in place long term plans if you're running net-negative on your burn out battery.
Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Find better bosses and employers. They are out there.
I've had great bosses, all the way up the chain... but they were all held captive to the "efficiency" measures of the time-tracking system. Everywhere I've ever worked has implemented a methodology that, regardless of what they called it (XP, Scrum, Kanban, whatever) boiled down to: write down everything you're going to do, write down how long it's going to take, and I'm going to measure how accurately you predicted…
Were you working at an agency or consultancy that billed hours to clients?
I've never seen a good engineering organization use time tracking software on their engineers.
I'd go so far as to take it as a major negative sign against the company if your time is being tracked like that. Exceptions of course to any business that is billing hours, which obviously must be tracked. However, even those organizations are smart enough to know that writing code isn't the only productive activity.
Re: Maybe you should do less 'work'
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Those people will generate enough taxes and labor for lazy people like me, and it's okay. Sorry, but it's definitely not ok.
Actually it is, and only a very strict and damaging protestant work ethic would tell you otherwise. Oh, you meant that those poor workaholics shouldn't exhaust themselves by overexerting over too much work? With that I can agree. But taxing those producing the most so as not to leave behind those who have received fewer gifts, inheritance or good contacts? That's how you build a civilization. If only because those pr…
You leave no room for agency, competency, motivation. OP explicitly mentions that he just wants to be lazy....