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Post by dagw »

rob74 wrote: post #284
bastardoperator wrote: post #204

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The login experience is the worst of any app I've used. Stop asking me every day to login, and god help you if you're in multiple orgs. I pretty much do the web app at this point. Thankfully my org mostly uses zoom and slack, but customers on teams refuse to experience normalcy and demand everyone experience their pain, same with webex, come on people...

Well, at least with Teams you can use the web app, for Zoom has to be installed, and at least under Linux it's a complete train-wreck. Incidentally, I have the issue with 100% CPU usage during video calls with Zoom, while Teams (in the browser) works just fine.

Zoom has to be installed

Is that a recent change? Up until a few month ago I worked at a company that banned the Zoom client for "security reasons" and had to use Zoom on the web for all my Zoom meetings and it never was a problem.

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Post by dachryn »

Kuinox wrote: post #50

Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…

the skype > teams migrations was a costly endeavour for many companies. Sure on paper they give continuity by offering similar services, but in practice the cost to switch to teams is about as high as switching to whatever other solution on the market (Zoom in pole position).

The only reason people stuck with teams is because it was forced upon them by the IT departments who preferred teams because it was bundled in their license. Teams was very very very rough in the beginning, compared to zoom and slack.

Microsoft doesn't have the guts to call things killed off. And it keeps them in limbo forever. To me that's worse than just admitting you should move on. It's fine if they continue to offer it for business continuity purposes, and they would score many big points doing that. But don't claim they offer it at no cost

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Post by mupuff1234 »

smt88 wrote: post #239
mupuff1234 wrote: post #183

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Stadia is still alive afaik.

They are no longer making their own games or even trying to make it into a viable consumer product. They pivoted to a B2B product. It's only a matter of time before they just kill off the consumer-facing version.

They're still working on the consumer product from what I know.

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Post by dachryn »

aksss wrote: post #243
SomeBoolshit wrote: post #72

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There was also MSN messenger, which was more capable than Skype other than the connection to the actual telephone network (having messages be delivered later without requiring both people to be online at the same time - amazing!) and when Teams replaced Skype, even more features were dropped. What part of that is positive other than "well, you can still do some of the things but we prefer to give you an inferior prod…

When Teams came out it didn’t have feature parity with SfB, despite their claims that it did, but here in 2022, it does. At least I can’t think of a sing feature in SfB that’s not in Teams now, and can think of many features that have been radically improved. Never used consumer Skype too much, what are you missing in Teams now?

three simple things:

- Skype has a full screen button for screen sharing, Teams always takes up some space with their little frames at the sides. Annoying as hell

- Skype has a 'actual size' button. So even if someone shares a bigger screen, you can still read it. On some versions of Teams you can cheat a bit, by holding control and scrolling your mouse wheel. But that is more a side effect of their electron framework than something intentional. Especially non-power users will never discover this

- Skype had way more flexibility in configuring simultaneous call (someone calls your skype but you want your mobile phone to ring when AFK). This is a huge deal to me.

And those are three simple features that greatly impact my quality of life with the product. A non-functional feature would also be the sluggishness. A skype chat window is quick, responsive, instant. Teams always hangs around half a second when switching between chat windows. And on lower performance pc's switching to a chat takes more than a second.

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Post by rob74 »

mnd999 wrote: post #298
rob74 wrote: post #284

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Well, at least with Teams you can use the web app, for Zoom has to be installed, and at least under Linux it's a complete train-wreck. Incidentally, I have the issue with 100% CPU usage during video calls with Zoom, while Teams (in the browser) works just fine.

Zoom can run in the browser.

AFAIK, Zoom can "run in the browser" in the sense that when you click a Zoom link it prompts you to install a "Zoom Launcher plugin" which is for all intents and purposes a binary application that you install locally. I wouldn't call that "running in the browser". Or has something changed recently?

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Post by philwelch »

Andys wrote: post #279
philwelch wrote: post #221

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I don't think that necessarily changes anything. The weird cultural effects of Slack are probably even worse with remote workers.

We might as well be from different species :) I'd love it if you could elaborate. How do you chat with coworkers remotely if not slack.. IRC? phone? Go around to their house?

The context of the discussion here is about Microsoft Teams. Teams doesn’t have a particularly engaging or enjoyable or usable design, but it does provide the bare minimum chat functionality.

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Post by darkcha0s »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #147
Kuinox wrote: post #50

Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…

>Kinect => It's not dead ??? Is it alive? It very much has an immensely passionate community of students and hobbyists using it in ways well past its intended use (e.g. it's some of the cheapest mocap hardware you can buy). But I don't think you've been able to officially purchase one for 4+ years now. Hard to call that "alive" in a business sense. Honestly a real shame that Xbox hasn't pivoted it into some other tea…

I don't really get it, it's just a product that has gone off the shelf. The xbox 360 isn't 'dead' it's just no longer sold. I don't think the kinect is any different in that sense, seeing as no new games use it.

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Post by exodust »

hackmiester wrote: post #294
exodust wrote: post #263

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> "they generally do try to migrate users to a product that provides the same basic features" Try telling that to Picasa users. When Google announced it was "moving on from Picasa", they stated: "We apologize for any inconvenience this transition causes, but.... Google Photos is a new and smarter product that offers a better platform for us..." A better platform for Google. Not users. Many Picasa users, like my fathe…

Maybe a Windows update fixed this? My parents are still using Picasa.

Okay, maybe. This was years ago when my dad complained about it not working. I installed FastStone Image Viewer as a replacement (what I use), but he preferred Picasa.

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Post by WithinReason »

zapnuk wrote: post #111
mnd999 wrote: post #78

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Teams is unbelievably shit though. It’s like they don’t even care.

Yes! Teams is by far the worst "popular" software i've ever used. It's so bad that eventhough most businesses depend on teams, they, as well as everyone else, would be better off if teams suddenly disappears from one day to another. edit: Just a few things that annoy me basically on a daily basis: - The status isn't always up to date. Sometimes it takes minutes to you or your contacts to show the correct status. - It…

> - It tries to include the formatting if you copy+paste in chat. It always looks bad and sometime is ittetating because the font size is way smaller.

Try pasting with Ctrl-Shift-V instead of Ctrl-V

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by mnd999 »

rob74 wrote: post #315
mnd999 wrote: post #298

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Zoom can run in the browser.

AFAIK, Zoom can "run in the browser" in the sense that when you click a Zoom link it prompts you to install a "Zoom Launcher plugin" which is for all intents and purposes a binary application that you install locally. I wouldn't call that "running in the browser". Or has something changed recently?

Pretty sure it’s always been the case it can run as WebRTC in the browser. They make it hard to find, but if you reject all their crapware there is a link to just continue in the browser and join a zoom.
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