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Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by shireboy »

adzm wrote: post #89
shireboy wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came here to make this point. Also, killing off products is not unhealthy. I for one am glad that eventually someone had the sense to kill off Bob. Sometimes- like for devs invested in Silverlight- it can be frustrating, but no reason to keep inferior or outdated products afloat.

I wish more things like Silverlight were open sourced for the community at EOL.

There is https://www.opensilver.net/ Not sure if any is MS contributed. And I’m not sure I can recommend it as a platform. I never quite bought into XAML over HTML/CSS/JS. I’ve done both, and just would rather build a web app than XAML for most of the type things I build.

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by pishpash »

bscphil wrote: post #172
blagie wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. I've been left stranded by Google over and over. Talk to all the happy GSuite/Free users around now. Or people who developed Chrome Extensions prior to Manifest V3. Or who were banned from Google Fi, Youtube, or your app store of choice by an automated, broken algorithm. Or who developed Workspace Docs prior to mandatory security audits at price points which will break most independent developers. Or.... The ke…

I think you're lashing out at Google for a variety of different (and very good!) reasons, but they're outside the range of my comment. People getting banned from Google services because of broken automation is bad, of course, but it has nothing to do with the issue of whether migration paths are provided when services are sunsetted at Google. My point is that for Google's core services, they generally due try to migr…

That's a shallow distinction. The constant migration is because internally teams are abandoning projects. Whether another team picks up a similar project is a secondary process, and may not happen, then you have a killed product. This is a completely different process than a company deciding to go in a different business direction or making a technical decision to change.

Eventually these "core products" will be abandoned, because let's face it, they are not even core products. Core product for GOOG is ads. And that's the difference.

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by mkoubaa »

To play the devil's advocate, at a large company like Microsoft, it's healthier when products are allowed to fail. Otherwise, new projects will get vetoed because of maintenance risk

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by chrisdirkis »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #147
Kuinox wrote: post #50

Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…

>Kinect => It's not dead ??? Is it alive? It very much has an immensely passionate community of students and hobbyists using it in ways well past its intended use (e.g. it's some of the cheapest mocap hardware you can buy). But I don't think you've been able to officially purchase one for 4+ years now. Hard to call that "alive" in a business sense. Honestly a real shame that Xbox hasn't pivoted it into some other tea…

The Azure Kinect was released as a successor for the research and business applications[1]. I know one roboticist who has used one, but no one aside from that. Definitely dead as a consumer gaming device, but a product evolving towards a discovered usecase is a surprisingly happy outcome from MS.

[1] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-au/services/kinect-dk/

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by pishpash »

whoisthemachine wrote: post #112
skissane wrote: post #92

So many discontinued Microsoft products not listed: Xenix, Microsoft OS/2, Multiplan, Microsoft COBOL, Microsoft Fortran/PowerStation, Microsoft Pascal/QuickPascal, the classic Microsoft Basic line (BASIC/BASICA/GW-BASIC/QuickBASIC/QBASIC/PDS/VBDOS), MS-DOS, MSX-DOS, Microsoft Adventure, Microsoft Decathlon, Z-80 SoftCard, Microsoft Delta (the version control system), Windows NT OS/2 subsystem, Presentation Manager f…

Microsoft, contrary to the name, writes a lot of software!

Micro refers to microcomputers.

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Post by jokethrowaway »

kungito wrote: post #94
SomeBoolshit wrote: post #72

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There was also MSN messenger, which was more capable than Skype other than the connection to the actual telephone network (having messages be delivered later without requiring both people to be online at the same time - amazing!) and when Teams replaced Skype, even more features were dropped. What part of that is positive other than "well, you can still do some of the things but we prefer to give you an inferior prod…

Lets be honest, no Microsoft messaging platform had a chance to be a 2022 whatsapp/messenger competitor. They were smart to realise that and focused on their Slack alternative for businesses which they can package with the rest of Office package. And with the new EU regulation on the way it makes even less sense

It would have had a chance if they didn't screw up MSN and Skype which were both incredibly successful communication tools among teens and 20 something. Everybody was on MSN. Everybody was on Skype.

Once whatsapp and facebook messenger mobile started taking place it was already N years too late. Now in 2022, they have no chance.

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by syshum »

zapnuk wrote: post #111
mnd999 wrote: post #78

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Teams is unbelievably shit though. It’s like they don’t even care.

Yes! Teams is by far the worst "popular" software i've ever used. It's so bad that eventhough most businesses depend on teams, they, as well as everyone else, would be better off if teams suddenly disappears from one day to another. edit: Just a few things that annoy me basically on a daily basis: - The status isn't always up to date. Sometimes it takes minutes to you or your contacts to show the correct status. - It…

There is a litany of complaints I have with Teams...

However Teams has no more or less QA and other problems than ever other MS product I use... I dont know if that is good or bad but ......

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by jokethrowaway »

mnd999 wrote: post #78
Kuinox wrote: post #50

Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…

Teams is unbelievably shit though. It’s like they don’t even care.

I have no idea why my clients keep paying for it.

Maybe it's part of some Office / Outlook insane bundle from hell?

Free zoom with the 40m limit provides a better experience.

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by syshum »

Thorrez wrote: post #174
Kuinox wrote: post #50

Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…

https://killedbygoogle.com/ contains Nexus. That was clearly replaced by Pixel. Disclosure: I work at Google, but not on anything related to this.

No... Sorry just no

Nexus line was an Affordable/ value reference implantation of Android

Pixel is an overpriced atrocity marketing platform for Google.

Pixel IS NOT a replacement for Nexus

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