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Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by lern_too_spel »

kerng wrote: post #68
Kuinox wrote: post #50

Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…

Agreed. Microsoft is really good at back compatibility - sometimes even to a fault. It also seems Microsoft sometimes is held to a higher standard when it comes to supporting products long after they are out of service. Compare that to Google and Android for instance... it's a big mess with millions of outdated and insecure devices.

Google only sold Nexuses and Pixels, which compare very favorably to Microsoft's Kin phones in continuing support.

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by joshuamorton »

DoctorOW wrote: post #178
bscphil wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Contrary to Google Don't know that I really agree with this. Google does have experimental services and tools that they've killed (RIP Google Reader), but they have always provided migration for their core services. Look at Messaging, for example. Gmail chat -> Hangouts -> Hangouts Chat(?) -> Allo(??) -> Hangouts (again?) -> Android Messages. The problem is not that they leave users completely stranded, the unendin…

I feel like your example disproves more than it proves. The difference between Micrsoft Edge and Edge Chromium was that one day you launched the browser and it looked/worked a little different. Using Google for chat on the other hand is still extremely difficult because there is no clear path (as indicated by all your question marks) who is to migrate where and when they're supposed to do it.

This isnt really true though. For the main use case (IM and VC), Gchat -> hangouts -> chat/meet is pretty straightforward. Heck most people probably didn't notice the migration happening!

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by can16358p »

I really miss Windows Phone. It was a great alternative to iOS and Android and I used it for years (Omnia 7, then Lumia 920) until I switched to iPhone as WP was into inevitable demise by Microsoft.

The interface was beautiful, smooth, modern looking. Whoever designed WP (and Zune) probably deserves a much better place than Microsoft as they were just too good.

I love Apple's design aesthetics in many ways, but still sometimes miss Windows Phone and it's tiles layout and its unique haptic feedback feeling. Not to mention that keyboard was more responsive than iOS too. (iOS is okay, still better than Android, but WP was the best in keyboard for me)

I also developed for WP too, which had a nice SDK though it was too limited. Of course it could expand much more by time. For me personally, using my favorite IDE (Visual Studio) at the time with my favorite language (C#) with XAML syntax was lovely.

Sad to see great potential dead.

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by bastardoperator »

zapnuk wrote: post #111
mnd999 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teams is unbelievably shit though. It’s like they don’t even care.

Yes! Teams is by far the worst "popular" software i've ever used. It's so bad that eventhough most businesses depend on teams, they, as well as everyone else, would be better off if teams suddenly disappears from one day to another. edit: Just a few things that annoy me basically on a daily basis: - The status isn't always up to date. Sometimes it takes minutes to you or your contacts to show the correct status. - It…

The login experience is the worst of any app I've used. Stop asking me every day to login, and god help you if you're in multiple orgs. I pretty much do the web app at this point. Thankfully my org mostly uses zoom and slack, but customers on teams refuse to experience normalcy and demand everyone experience their pain, same with webex, come on people...

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by EvanAnderson »

B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #162
EvanAnderson wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sysadmin experience on Windows is hot garbage, too. I assume the people writing it have had less than no experience dealing with deploying software to fleets of PCs, hot-desking, VDI, RDP farms, etc. It's ridiculously inefficient.

> It's ridiculously inefficient. You mean that simple tasks take many billable hours? Hmmm ...

Irresponsible use of disk space, CPU cycles, and network bandwidth is more what I'm referring to. I've scripted some cleanup of profiles to take care of disk space exhaustion in a couple of situations. Cleaning up after Teams hasn't been a revenue generator for me, but it has created complaints. Anything that causes me to receive complaints from users draws my ire. (I subscribe to the "sewer system" theory of sysadmin for end-user facing servers, desktops, etc. You never think about your municipal sewer system unless it has problems. Ideally that's never. User-facing IT infrastructure should be the same.)

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by jannes »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #147
Kuinox wrote: post #50

Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…

>Kinect => It's not dead ??? Is it alive? It very much has an immensely passionate community of students and hobbyists using it in ways well past its intended use (e.g. it's some of the cheapest mocap hardware you can buy). But I don't think you've been able to officially purchase one for 4+ years now. Hard to call that "alive" in a business sense. Honestly a real shame that Xbox hasn't pivoted it into some other tea…

There are still games coming out with Kinect support (Just Dance 2022)

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by ______-_-______ »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #147
Kuinox wrote: post #50

Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…

>Kinect => It's not dead ??? Is it alive? It very much has an immensely passionate community of students and hobbyists using it in ways well past its intended use (e.g. it's some of the cheapest mocap hardware you can buy). But I don't think you've been able to officially purchase one for 4+ years now. Hard to call that "alive" in a business sense. Honestly a real shame that Xbox hasn't pivoted it into some other tea…

I'd call it dead I guess, but I don't see why that's a problem. It's a physical product, you can't keep manufacturing those forever. They supported it until the next generation of consoles came out. Would it be fair to make a site called "Killed by Nintendo" and list the Game Boy and Wii?

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by zimpenfish »

ineptech wrote: post #82

Not killed exactly, but I hate what they've done to Minecraft. It used to be something kind of unique, a game experience that was universal among kids. They paid $1.6B to gate it behind a microsoft.com account and force schoolkids and school districts in to the MS ecosystem.

Plus the mob votes - stupid nonsense idea. You're the game devs, dev the game. Don't ask an easily influenced bunch of people (hello glow squid) for their opinions.

(I will concede that Caves & Cliffs is finally going in the right direction but the Java client still sucks re: optimisation and it'd be nice if they put some effort into that instead of the PR puffs of mob votes, etc.)

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by ______-_-______ »

whoisthemachine wrote: post #112
skissane wrote: post #92

So many discontinued Microsoft products not listed: Xenix, Microsoft OS/2, Multiplan, Microsoft COBOL, Microsoft Fortran/PowerStation, Microsoft Pascal/QuickPascal, the classic Microsoft Basic line (BASIC/BASICA/GW-BASIC/QuickBASIC/QBASIC/PDS/VBDOS), MS-DOS, MSX-DOS, Microsoft Adventure, Microsoft Decathlon, Z-80 SoftCard, Microsoft Delta (the version control system), Windows NT OS/2 subsystem, Presentation Manager f…

Microsoft, contrary to the name, writes a lot of software!

Maybe "Micro" refers to the support window
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