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Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by taspeotis » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 8:06 PM UTC

Kuinox wrote: post #50

Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…

Yeah like:

> Skype for Business Expiring in over 3 years, Skype for Business (formerly Microsoft Lync and Office Communicator) was an enterprise instant messaging software developed by Microsoft as part of the Microsoft Office suite. It was almost 18 years old.

It’s still around because of a lengthy transition path Microsoft offers and they admit that and then start talking about it in the past tense…

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by 13of40 » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 8:07 PM UTC

detritus wrote: post #23

ryan-duve wrote: post #4

I like seeing the list of services, but I wish it was called "Microsoft Graveyard" instead of "Killed by Microsoft". Some of those wouldn't be around today regardless of the controlling organization, such as Silverlight and Encarta. To me, "Killed by Microsoft" makes it sound like Microsoft chose to discontinue a product that otherwise would still be "alive" today.

This does feel like a somewhat bilious [anti-?]fanboy counter to the Google Graveyard website.

I get a bit of a "This food is so horrible and the portions are so small!" vibe from it.

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by macintux » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 8:07 PM UTC

The only Microsoft software I've ever really enjoyed using: Musical Instruments (https://archive.org/details/microsoft-musical-instruments).

I never owned it, but the Children's Museum in Indianapolis used to have a copy running at a kiosk.

I believe it was absorbed into Encarta.

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by jchw » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 8:08 PM UTC

sedatk wrote: post #69

jchw wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EdgeHTML really is dead, however, and that has significance considering it was an independent browser engine (also, one that applications could embed)

Edge is still IE11 compatible[1] and still provides an embeddable component (WebView2)[2]. [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/edge-ie-mode [2] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/

That doesn’t really change the fact that what was called EdgeHTML is gone and it was replaced by a program that has an entirely different lineage, API, user interface, feature set... I am definitely aware of WebView2, I even maintain bindings for it for Go!

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by glitchc » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 8:09 PM UTC

jbullock35 wrote: post #18

Missing: Microsoft Bookshelf [1]. Encarta was a somewhat similar product, but the reference sources in Bookshelf were arguably better. For example, Bookshelf contained the unabridged American Heritage Dictionary, while Encarta used (I think) a Webster's dictionary [2]. I still use Bookshelf 1996 on most days of the week. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bookshelf [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encarta_W…

Unless you have a Windows 3.1 vm kicking around just to support this, that seems unlikely.

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by Siira » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 8:09 PM UTC

floucky wrote: post #113

creativenolo wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about Teams makes you think that? My experience has been the opposite. But that could have just been that it fitted our setup well. Or that I haven't tried better.

Copy/Paste code often doesn't work for me, especially SQL. There is a dedicated component to do that, but that's not convenient at all.

https://paste.gnugen.ch/paste/E2o9

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by pc86 » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 8:10 PM UTC

skissane wrote: post #92

So many discontinued Microsoft products not listed: Xenix, Microsoft OS/2, Multiplan, Microsoft COBOL, Microsoft Fortran/PowerStation, Microsoft Pascal/QuickPascal, the classic Microsoft Basic line (BASIC/BASICA/GW-BASIC/QuickBASIC/QBASIC/PDS/VBDOS), MS-DOS, MSX-DOS, Microsoft Adventure, Microsoft Decathlon, Z-80 SoftCard, Microsoft Delta (the version control system), Windows NT OS/2 subsystem, Presentation Manager f…

How many of these would there even be a market for? Some of these are games from the 70's and 80's.

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by jimmaswell » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 8:10 PM UTC

mnd999 wrote: post #78

Kuinox wrote: post #50

Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…

Teams is unbelievably shit though. It’s like they don’t even care.

Teams is in the realm of software forced on an entire company by clueless executives who are easily swayed by sales conmen on complimentary golf/ski trips, so they don't have to actually care about making it a good experience - a perfunctory checklist of barely-functional features that look good on a powerpoint is sufficient.

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by skissane » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 8:11 PM UTC

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #119

skissane wrote: post #92

So many discontinued Microsoft products not listed: Xenix, Microsoft OS/2, Multiplan, Microsoft COBOL, Microsoft Fortran/PowerStation, Microsoft Pascal/QuickPascal, the classic Microsoft Basic line (BASIC/BASICA/GW-BASIC/QuickBASIC/QBASIC/PDS/VBDOS), MS-DOS, MSX-DOS, Microsoft Adventure, Microsoft Decathlon, Z-80 SoftCard, Microsoft Delta (the version control system), Windows NT OS/2 subsystem, Presentation Manager f…

Nice list! You forgot Microsoft hardware, too. Do they still make webcams? The Z-80 soft card? And what about the software they made for the Apple 2e?

I did mention one hardware product in my list – Z-80 SoftCard (expansion card for Apple IIs which had an embedded Z80 CPU so they could run CP/M software)

Yes they still sell webcams: https://www.microsoft.com/en-ww/accessories/products/webcams...

I don't think Microsoft had many software products for Apple IIs. A large part of the point of the Z-80 SoftCard was that then their CP/M 8080/Z80 product line would run on Apple IIs, without having to rewrite it for the 6502 CPU. The most notable Microsoft product for Apple IIs was Applesoft BASIC, which was a version of Microsoft BASIC shipped by Apple in the Apple II ROMs (and modified by Apple employees). In terms of Apple II packages Microsoft sold directly, only ones I know of are TASC (The AppleSoft Compiler), a compiler for Applesoft BASIC; and Multiplan.

They wrote more software for the Mac – first version of Excel was released for the Mac in 1985, first Windows version did not come out until 1987 – Excel for Windows 2.x came with a bundled version of Windows 2.x – prior to Excel, Microsoft's spreadsheet offering on DOS was Multiplan. Multiplan ran on a p-code virtual machine–inspired by UCSD Pascal, but using C rather than Pascal as the programming language (or at least later versions did, maybe some early versions actually were written in Pascal)–which made it easy to port to myriad platforms, including CP/M, Apple II, MS-DOS, Commodore 64, Xenix, UNIX, among others. (Multiplan also ran on Mac, on which platform it was a GUI rather than text-mode product; given that, I'm suspecting Multiplan on Mac was a quite different code base from Multiplan on other platforms.)

Re: Killed by Microsoft

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Post by bayindirh » Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 8:11 PM UTC

mnd999 wrote: post #78

Kuinox wrote: post #50

Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…

Teams is unbelievably shit though. It’s like they don’t even care.

For what it's worth, Teams feel like it's haphazardly glued together from what's laying around, esp. in Linux.

Why restart the application if it cannot connect to the internet? Why can't I have native notifications? Why iOS app's notifications are unreliable?

I really can't believe the quality of this thing. While I don't like Microsoft, I agree that they can write semi-decent software. Teams is not one of them.