Shouldn't the Zune store, software, and Zune phone be combined as one failure?
Killed by Microsoft
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#92So many discontinued Microsoft products not listed: Xenix, Microsoft OS/2, Multiplan, Microsoft COBOL, Microsoft Fortran/PowerStation, Microsoft Pascal/QuickPascal, the classic Microsoft Basic line (BASIC/BASICA/GW-BASIC/QuickBASIC/QBASIC/PDS/VBDOS), MS-DOS, MSX-DOS, Microsoft Adventure, Microsoft Decathlon, Z-80 SoftCard, Microsoft Delta (the version control system), Windows NT OS/2 subsystem, Presentation Manager for Windows NT (an add-on which allowed you to run OS/2 1.x GUI programs on Windows NT), FoxPro, Visual FoxPro, Visual Test, Microsoft File (the classic MacOS database app), Microsoft Mail/Schedule+, Microsoft LAN Manager, Microsoft Services for Netware, Visual J++, Visual J#, Microsoft Money, Microsoft LISP (actually reselling muLISP, which Microsoft earlier had sold under its own name), InfoPath, Entourage, FrontPage, Vizact, Object Packager
One ambiguity in all this is what counts as a "product". There have been a lot of things which have disappeared over the years – such as apps bundled with Windows 3.x which have disappeared in newer versions (for example, Reversi or Cardfile) – but which were never sold as independent products, do they count? And what about stuff which is discontinued but has an upwardly compatible replacement – Visual C++ is the successor to the Microsoft C/C++ line going back to the 1980s, in a somewhat similar way VB.NET is successor to the Microsoft BASIC line going back to the 1970s. Microsoft Mail was replaced by Exchange/Outlook, etc. Xenix, OS/2 and LAN Manager were effectively replaced by Windows NT, the POSIX/Interix/SFU/SUA subsystem was effectively replaced by WSL. There are also products Microsoft sold on behalf of third companies, whether rebranded or under their original names (I mentioned muLISP; muMATH and R:Base are other examples)
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#94Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…
There was also MSN messenger, which was more capable than Skype other than the connection to the actual telephone network (having messages be delivered later without requiring both people to be online at the same time - amazing!) and when Teams replaced Skype, even more features were dropped. What part of that is positive other than "well, you can still do some of the things but we prefer to give you an inferior prod…
Lets be honest, no Microsoft messaging platform had a chance to be a 2022 whatsapp/messenger competitor. They were smart to realise that and focused on their Slack alternative for businesses which they can package with the rest of Office package. And with the new EU regulation on the way it makes even less sense
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#95Missing: Microsoft Bookshelf [1]. Encarta was a somewhat similar product, but the reference sources in Bookshelf were arguably better. For example, Bookshelf contained the unabridged American Heritage Dictionary, while Encarta used (I think) a Webster's dictionary [2]. I still use Bookshelf 1996 on most days of the week. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bookshelf [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encarta_W…
What line of work are you in where you’re using this tool regularly? Curious to know
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#96Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…
Teams is unbelievably shit though. It’s like they don’t even care.
I can't name a single messenger with worse user experience.
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#97Contrary to Google, Microsoft often provide a migration path to another of their service covering the same usecases. Examples: Skype For Business => Teams. Microsoft Edge => Chromium Edge. Windows 10 IoT Core => It's not dead ??? Office Viewer => Web Based Office Kinect => It's not dead ??? Microsoft Anti-Virus for Windows => Windows Defender Come on, microsoft has big flaws but backward compat/keeping old product al…
Teams is unbelievably shit though. It’s like they don’t even care.
Chat/teams itself yeah, compared to slack; and it's mostly/only UI related. Video and audio is leagues above however, and recordings integrated with Stream works like a charm. It's unbelievable how shitty audio and video is in slack however. If microsoft got its UI/UX game, it's easier to get that right than the other way around.
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#98I like seeing the list of services, but I wish it was called "Microsoft Graveyard" instead of "Killed by Microsoft". Some of those wouldn't be around today regardless of the controlling organization, such as Silverlight and Encarta. To me, "Killed by Microsoft" makes it sound like Microsoft chose to discontinue a product that otherwise would still be "alive" today.
This does feel like a somewhat bilious [anti-?]fanboy counter to the Google Graveyard website.
Is the Google Graveyard not itself bilious?
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#99I like seeing the list of services, but I wish it was called "Microsoft Graveyard" instead of "Killed by Microsoft". Some of those wouldn't be around today regardless of the controlling organization, such as Silverlight and Encarta. To me, "Killed by Microsoft" makes it sound like Microsoft chose to discontinue a product that otherwise would still be "alive" today.
Yeah, there should be a KilledByApple website that includes Zune.
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#100FYI MonoGame is the continuation of XNA and is still used for game development, pretty sure Stardew Valley was made using it.
Very approachable “code only” game engine if you already know C#.
I’ve been playing with it for a hobby game project and so far everything works perfectly on both Mac and Windows which was surprising, didn’t even have to change a build flag or config file just starting debug on Windows or Mac Visual Studio has worked.
Not only that but a random old Logitech controller connected to the Mac worked out of the box with Xbox controller code from Windows.