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Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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I want to share some thoughts on this.

Firstly, good work on joining the gym. If you can afford it, get yourself a qualified personal trainer at least once a week. They will correct your technique, introduce you to other people in the gym, and act as a role model for social situations. Additionally, time in the gym with another person (trainer or friend) is positively associated with mental health benefits over time.

> The discomfort gets to the point where I blush

One of my most important learnings in new social situations was to not listen to my body. Blushing and sweating are physiological reactions. At the very worst, if you grind through it, your body will eventually give up and return to normal function after 15 minutes. With repeated exposure, your fight/flight mechanisms will temper down and learn the new normal. Having said that, sometimes I will take a 'smoke break' from social situations to go reduce my body temperature outside.

> My voice changes, my posture changes, everything changes.

My second most important learning is "be like dog". Dogs approach strangers and introduce themselves. They are interested in their new friend and listen to everything they have to say. If they could talk, they would be asking for more details, and complimenting their friend on their great choices. The key point here is that they are not waiting for permission to be themselves, sincerity is the default.

With respect to other commenters re: ecstasy, it is true that you may experience an entirely new mental / social state while under the influence. Making a friend for life in 30 minutes gives you some perspective on "normal speed" social interactions. Just make sure you remember that your mental state is altered: I attended raves for a year before I realised that I didn't like them, but the drug was making it impossible for me to have a bad time. There is also the chance that the drugs are cut with other substances, the risk of frying your brain, the risk of derailing into a junky. You should always have a non-negotiable end date after which you will stop using forever. And unlike what some other commenter said, MDMA != meth, never ever touch that stuff.

As a final comment, when I was younger I fell into the trap of reading Tucker Max, followed by 'The Game' by Neil Strauss, and then went down the rabbit hole into pickup artist forums. I strongly advise against this stuff. Pickup artist routines work (for social and romantic situations), but I found them deeply unsatisfying and nihilistic. These frameworks rely on impersonating a character rather than being yourself. There are useful tricks (in any social framework) for getting people to like you, but at the core you want people to like you for your true (and hopefully lovely) personality.

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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If it took only 2 years, it was easy. I’ve travelled around the world and did most of the possible side quests, including the workout phase, the guitar phase, the charity/vegan phase, the millionaire phase, and I’m still transparent to women. And I’ve grown bitter. I did everything I could. I’d say “please, help” but to be honest, I’ve grown too bitter to hear the advice. It’s a game designed to make me lose, I’m nei…

You're referring to life as a game, and checking off a list of objectives. I might be wrong, but from just what you said it sounds like you did these "phases" because you wanted people to think you were these things, not because you were them. I've found people (especially woman) are good at seeing through these pretenses.

What tells you I wanted people to believe I were these things? I did guitar because it was nice to sing, and the idea of singing around a bonfire and maybe making people sing was just a good feeling. I sang the last song of a friend who died from cancer, and that was a song we had written together. He went for his last sleep on it, that’s the best departure I could imagine for him. Unfortunately, I plateaued at some level, like probably everyone does, so it became boring and annoying to not progress. It doesn’t mean I wasn’t guitar.

Anyway I don’t understand what women are looking for, that’s why I’m getting downvoted.

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it took only 2 years, it was easy. I’ve travelled around the world and did most of the possible side quests, including the workout phase, the guitar phase, the charity/vegan phase, the millionaire phase, and I’m still transparent to women. And I’ve grown bitter. I did everything I could. I’d say “please, help” but to be honest, I’ve grown too bitter to hear the advice. It’s a game designed to make me lose, I’m nei…

You describe an approach to dating that sounds like you're playing a video game and everyone else is an NPC. It's not about ticking achievements off a box. You're playing the race card, but I'm pretty positive that there are countless white males less successful than a claimed fit millionaire guitar-playing you who somehow have found relationships! If you could somehow change your skin color you'd have the same probl…

This comment contains no advice. It just tells that all the tracks I’ve tried are wrong/not useful (in your books, at least).

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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These comments make me feel like I'm getting old, which is weird to me. There are so many proactive comments that remind me of my 18 year old self. Social awkwardness, for me and for a lot of people I know, sort of just vanished with age. - The same kind of weird, unexplainable, vicious attitude that passes for cool among teenagers and some early adults fades for most people. The people who still adhere to that code…

I know what you mean about getting old and things like this vanishing with age. My oldest has just turned 18 and it's like looking back at an awkward snapshot of yourself.

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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I would pick things that align with your interests. Go to a museum, go to a play that has an intermission, go skiing, pick up a club sport, meetups, cooking classes, book signing, improv class, music class, fishing class, board game nights... Lots of things to try.

Everything I can get my brain interested in is a solo activity. I feel like whenever I try to even think about doing something that requires me to initiate contact with people, some unconscious part of me "resets" my thoughts and they just get stuck in a useless loop. On the rare occasion that I manage to override that and go somewhere, I am unable to engage with people even though I want to. I don't hate interacting…

What things get your "brain interested", if I may ask?

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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post #346

These comments make me feel like I'm getting old, which is weird to me. There are so many proactive comments that remind me of my 18 year old self. Social awkwardness, for me and for a lot of people I know, sort of just vanished with age. - The same kind of weird, unexplainable, vicious attitude that passes for cool among teenagers and some early adults fades for most people. The people who still adhere to that code…

@HEmanZ Your point about reducing judgement resonates with me.

I noticed that I rarely think negatively of people who appear awkward, and always admire those who appear to accept their awkwardness and move on rather than fighting hard to rid themselves of it for the sake of others' preferences.

Recognizing that I don't judge other people's awkward moments allows me to apply that same acceptance to my own imperfections. I view myself through my own eyes, not what I think others see when they look at me.

Sometimes I have embarrassing moments that high school me (I'm finishing undergrad now) would have probably cried over, but now I give myself a big mental hug, have a laugh-- there is always humor to be found--and then move on. The more I accept my rough edges, the easier it gets to move on to things that are more important than my lack of social graces. And I think this nonjudgmental attitude is actually making those painfully awkward moments much, much rarer.

I could try very hard to change my behavior and stop being awkward. Maybe I would never have an awkward moment again. But unless I relax the immature impulse to judge, I would always be haunted by memories of those past failures. Letting go of those harsh judgements lightened my load a whole lot more than any behavioral change regime ever could.

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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Practice. Practice practice practice. Which sounds daunting, but… …now, I realize it’s unfair to map physical appearance to awkwardness, but…let’s take a look at me in 2008 versus 2021. https://imgur.com/7sR0qKt Can you infer I might have been awkward? Because I was awkward. Always had been, and in a lot of ways, I am still am. But I am vastly better than I used to be. And it was practice. Slow, slow, slow practice.…

Just to build upon the Practice element you mentioned, any time you want to change something, then do exposure therapy Can you go to the bar, speak to 50 people, make 5 excellent business contacts and conquor the world? No Can you go to the bar and speak to 50 people? No Can you go to the bar and speak to 3 people? No Can you go to the bar? Yes Ok, this time go to the bar, if you're not ready to speak to people then…

In general I would agree to your advice of taking small steps, but with the concrete examples, my former self would think "but then everyone remembers me as the creepy guy, who just comes and looks at everyone. I could not go to step 2 then"

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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post #346

These comments make me feel like I'm getting old, which is weird to me. There are so many proactive comments that remind me of my 18 year old self. Social awkwardness, for me and for a lot of people I know, sort of just vanished with age. - The same kind of weird, unexplainable, vicious attitude that passes for cool among teenagers and some early adults fades for most people. The people who still adhere to that code…

Yes this geez why did this become a thread of using MDMA or not, HN really loves to get into the nitty gritty of every problem doesn't it

Re: Ask HN: If you used to be socially awkward and shy, how did you improve?

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The cold hard truth that I realized I long time ago is what I call the “two strikes rule”. When you are short (as am I), you already have two strikes against you in society. You can’t be “short and” - short and broke, short and mean, short and shy, short and fat (which I was until I was 18).

I am a short male in my mid twenties and I am also getting to the same conclusion. If you're short, you need to work harder. There is no chance you can be unfit, fat or awekward. You will be screwed. But honestly, sometimes I feel like it's a good blessing. It pushes you to improve many aspects of your life. You want to be successful in your career, you want to work harder, you want to excercise like there is no tomo…

I feel for short guys. Apparently it's ok for women to put "swipe right if over 6ft" on dating apps. I doubt I'd get much success with "swipe right if over 36D and you can deep throat"

I've noticed the best dancer in a club is a short guy. Tall guys can just coast, but a bit of time in the gym definitely helps.

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