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Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by GekkePrutser »

xienze wrote: post #148
GekkePrutser wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not really an immigration issue but a distribution of wealth issue IMO. Something we also have to reduce to have a more sustainable world. The issue is that the source of our wealth externalises the cost to the environment. The problem is really with our western society, not the people. It's pretty likely African immigrants can teach us a thing or two about living more in harmony with nature.

> It's pretty likely African immigrants can teach us a thing or two about living more in harmony with nature. Well this is definitely a line of tortured logic I’ve never heard before in order to square “babies bad, immigrants OK.” But again, who has a higher carbon footprint? An African in Africa or an African in the USA? IMO if your concern is carbon footprint, you need to be against both western births and replacem…

What we have to tackle is not immigration. It's the reason for it (too much discrepancy in standards of living), and our own pollution we put on the planet.

Because we are the main polluters on this planet, not them. We produce tens of times more pollution per person than people in Africa. The buck stops with us. We have to set a more sustainable standard of living and help others to attain it too. It's very unfair that where you're born defines your standard of living.

By looking purely at immigration you're looking only at one tiny piece of the puzzle and disregarding all the others.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by GekkePrutser »

slothtrop wrote: post #123
GekkePrutser wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a decline but a stabilisation. That's really what's needed to make our planet sustainable. Right now the absolute worst thing you can do for the environment is to have a child as a westerner. And we're not hoping for loss of life. Just a more balanced population in the long term. We can't keep growing until every square meter of this planet is covered with people, I'm sure that's clear. Eventually resources will…

Read this - https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/please-dont-give-up-on...

The "if we don't have many kids the bad guys become a bigger group" is precisely the attitude with which we will never solve these problems.

We have to stop this thinking of it being a race where we have to keep ahead of others. We have to work together or we will never solve our environmental issues.

And the thing about a kid emitting 1 ton CO2 per year is nonsense. Just bringing your kid on one international roundtrip flight already emits that much. Not to mention choices made in their name "I have to protect my kids so I have to drive an SUV tank" that I've heard many Irish parents claim. One ton is peanuts.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by GekkePrutser »

dane-pgp wrote: post #70
mensetmanusman wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Right now the absolute worst thing you can do for the environment is to have a child as a westerner.” By this logic one can rationally claim the best thing you can do for the environment is to die.

Or to kill. We need to be really careful that in our haste to make progress in environmental protection and gender equality, we don't find ourselves heading down the dark path towards eugenics or self-extinction.

Nobody talked about killing anyone.

It's just about avoiding pregnancies that are not even wanted.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by at_a_remove »

The type I am really hopeful about target the flagellum. The only portion of the human body to have this would be sperm cells. Backing up a bit, it's very hard to target a medicine to something highly specific, since it circulates through the body, which re-uses proteins all over the place. This, though, represents a single target.

It's a shame. Vasectomy can have complications which are often not discussed in the slightest. My father had some of those, though not as bad as others. Occasionally, the results are permanent, despite a reversal of the vasectomy. To paraphrase Orwell, imagine a boot stamping on a your balls—for ever. I am trying to remember the musician who killed himself over it.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by bqmjjx0kac »

snovv_crash wrote: post #72
bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hot take: social security is a Ponzi scheme.

By implication, the people who get out first are the only winners?

My point was more that it only works as long as new people are joining.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by zmgsabst »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #56
zmgsabst wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes — it’s absolutely psychotic to hope for a mass loss of human life and the decline of our species. There’s no reason to think it would make things better — and many to think a massive population decline would come with a technology regression and stall of our advancement. I think such ideas are a form of mental illness, often stemming from delusions about the world.

Not a decline but a stabilisation. That's really what's needed to make our planet sustainable. Right now the absolute worst thing you can do for the environment is to have a child as a westerner. And we're not hoping for loss of life. Just a more balanced population in the long term. We can't keep growing until every square meter of this planet is covered with people, I'm sure that's clear. Eventually resources will…

Yes — that’s absolutely psychotic.

There’s no reason to think the carrying capacity is down around what we have now, and historically growing population has been the engine through which we’ve solved those problems.

Thinking that we need to “stabilize” at the current population is a delusion leading to insane policy recommendations.

Also — yes, lots of your peers in “sustainability” are talking about massive population declines.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by zmgsabst »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #152
slothtrop wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read this - https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/please-dont-give-up-on...

The "if we don't have many kids the bad guys become a bigger group" is precisely the attitude with which we will never solve these problems. We have to stop this thinking of it being a race where we have to keep ahead of others. We have to work together or we will never solve our environmental issues. And the thing about a kid emitting 1 ton CO2 per year is nonsense. Just bringing your kid on one international roundt…

You have a delusion we’ve hit some kind of cap, and your belief we need to stop breeding will lead to bad outcomes relative to groups who don’t share that maladaptive belief.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by xienze »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #151
xienze wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's pretty likely African immigrants can teach us a thing or two about living more in harmony with nature. Well this is definitely a line of tortured logic I’ve never heard before in order to square “babies bad, immigrants OK.” But again, who has a higher carbon footprint? An African in Africa or an African in the USA? IMO if your concern is carbon footprint, you need to be against both western births and replacem…

What we have to tackle is not immigration. It's the reason for it (too much discrepancy in standards of living), and our own pollution we put on the planet. Because we are the main polluters on this planet, not them. We produce tens of times more pollution per person than people in Africa. The buck stops with us. We have to set a more sustainable standard of living and help others to attain it too. It's very unfair t…

The standard of living will never ever be the same all over the world. There will always be rich countries and poor countries. Always have, always will. The fact of the matter is that population growth is out of control in poor parts of the world and every last one of those people want to migrate to countries where the standard of living, and therefore carbon footprint, is higher. Which is why I find it maddening that people lecture westerners to stop having children when birth rates are already below replacement, and at the same time see no problem with allowing never ending numbers of people to instantly elevate their carbon footprint via migration. It’s just not a logically consistent set of viewpoints to hold if your primary concern is climate change.
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