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New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Do they tease out unintended from unwanted? 45% is wild, and doubly so that this is an all time low. I could find a million dollars and it would be unintended but not unwanted.

There's no way you'd get accurate answers to "do you want this child?".

Well, some couples aren’t planning on a kid, but they also aren’t planning not to.

I’d be curious to survey asking those two questions - did you want this child? Did you intend to have this child?

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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It’s kinda wild that women are basically expected to take on all the side effect risk of birth control and no one even questions it unless side effects are actually death (Remember Yaz?). I’m also curious about how blocking vitamin A doesn’t have side effects - don’t I need vitamin A?

I don't think "expected" is the right word when a) it's the only option and b) women suffer most of the consequences of unwanted pregnancies. I guess there are child support for males wrt to (b), which could very well incentivize the use of a male pill.

Men can get vasectomies.

But the basic point is that, it’s only even considered a possible option for men if there are no side effects.

Yet all forms of birth control for women have side effects.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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If I had the option to kill myself off once I hit the point that I'm no longer able to look after myself then I'd be pretty happy with that. And frankly with what I've seen of last the years of my elderly relatives lives even with care, I rather hope that I do have that option. Dementia looks no fun at all.

This is probably more than most people are willing to accept, but if modern medicine keeps going the way it is, I think we're going to have to have some frank conversations about this. We're pretty good at preventing people from dying young, and we're pretty good at keeping the elderly barely alive. We're pretty bad at extending how long someone can take care of themselves. I don't think we can sustain a society wher…

> This is probably more than most people are willing to accept

You say that, but this a majority opinion amongst people I know both in my own age group (late twenties) and my parents age group (late fifties). My circles probably skew liberal, but even so I think that most people now have first-hand experience of elderly loved ones with dementia and the effects of that on both the person themselves and those who have to care for them. I can't see many people wanting that either for themselves of their descendants.

> I don't think we can sustain a society where people work for 40 years and then are retired for another 40. Quality of life will need to drop substantially, or we'll need massive birth rates.

And massive birth rates aren't sustainable either. That only pushes the problem back a few decades. This is why I'd ultimately prefer to my life to be cut short. The only alternative on a societal level is to work much harder while I am alive. I'd rather enjoy my time here and then go and let others have their turn.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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This one requires two injections right into the most awkward bit of ye old twig and berries, the first to numb the pain from the second. Afterwards you walk around sore with a swollen scrotum for a week. Doesn't seem that perplexing. Unless you're into that sort of thing, not that there is anything wrong with that..

Have you ever read about what it's like to get an IUD inserted? I would recommend checking that out and then asking whether a small injection to the genitals is really the worst possibility.

I'm sure nothing could be worse. You're welcome to volunteer to get either procedure, both, or neither. I would recommend elective medical procedures stay optional.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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If I had the option to kill myself off once I hit the point that I'm no longer able to look after myself then I'd be pretty happy with that. And frankly with what I've seen of last the years of my elderly relatives lives even with care, I rather hope that I do have that option. Dementia looks no fun at all.

Just speaking hypothetically why wouldn't you have that option (I mean unless you were quadraplegic or just mentally completely out of it)? I have my own plan for that but hopefully that is decades and decades in the future. Also make sure to do a living will.

Well there's usually a way, but at least here in the UK it's illegal which makes it trickier than it needs to be. I'd much prefer there to be a painless way (carbon monoxide poisoning seems like it'd be the best option) which didn't involve my family having to deal with my body, or risking them getting prosecuted for assisting suicide if they knew about it (which would also be preferable - I'd like to be able to prepare them and say goodbye).

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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No I'm not. I am opposed to unlimited immigration though due to the shock effect on society.

Surely you can see where the issue is, don’t you? How can a westerner having a baby be any worse than an immigrant making their way to a western country, from a carbon footprint perspective? To me you can’t logically say that westerners having babies is a problem and still be OK with any amount of immigration, at least if the environment is your argument.

That's not really an immigration issue but a distribution of wealth issue IMO. Something we also have to reduce to have a more sustainable world.

The issue is that the source of our wealth externalises the cost to the environment. The problem is really with our western society, not the people.

It's pretty likely African immigrants can teach us a thing or two about living more in harmony with nature.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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This one requires two injections right into the most awkward bit of ye old twig and berries, the first to numb the pain from the second. Afterwards you walk around sore with a swollen scrotum for a week. Doesn't seem that perplexing. Unless you're into that sort of thing, not that there is anything wrong with that..

IUDs are a thing for women and what you are describing sounds similar to the experience putting in or taking out an IUD is according to some women who described it to me. I don't know how long the injections last but if they last a similar time as IUDs. I think this would be acceptable. But maybe there aren't enough men that are willing to get birth control like this, to market this product. The incentive for women t…

I have never known a woman to describe IUDs as anything like this.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Surely you can see where the issue is, don’t you? How can a westerner having a baby be any worse than an immigrant making their way to a western country, from a carbon footprint perspective? To me you can’t logically say that westerners having babies is a problem and still be OK with any amount of immigration, at least if the environment is your argument.

That's not really an immigration issue but a distribution of wealth issue IMO. Something we also have to reduce to have a more sustainable world. The issue is that the source of our wealth externalises the cost to the environment. The problem is really with our western society, not the people. It's pretty likely African immigrants can teach us a thing or two about living more in harmony with nature.

> It's pretty likely African immigrants can teach us a thing or two about living more in harmony with nature.

Well this is definitely a line of tortured logic I’ve never heard before in order to square “babies bad, immigrants OK.” But again, who has a higher carbon footprint? An African in Africa or an African in the USA? IMO if your concern is carbon footprint, you need to be against both western births and replacement immigration.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Because it's halfway to having a vasectomy. Disgusting manipulation of flesh.

So don't do it? But why prevent other people from doing it?

I'm not preventing anyone, I don't mind if people jab themselves.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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They should keep going down if we want to save this planet. Our population growth is unsustainable. It'll cause some demographic issues in the short term but we'll just have to deal with that.

Advanced economies are only growing via immigration, there is no population growth through reproduction. Also the planet will be just fine, it is us we’re worried about.

If you define the planet as just a rock spinning around the sun then yes.

I would define it as a complex ecosystem of interconnected species and we're doing a lot of damage to that that goes far beyond ourselves.

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