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New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by collegeburner »

teknopaul wrote: post #83
grapeskin wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Any attempt to regulate or restrict birth control against women is consistently held up as the “patriarchy” because it restricts women’s autonomy. Now not restricting it is patriarchy? Seems like literally everything is. So far, men’s birth controls haven’t been legalized because the risks have been pretty massive. The last trial I heard of had a massive risk of suicide. “Patriarchy” has no part of it.

Heard it said that "Patriarchy" played a horrible role in how the pill was developed and tested. In first trials in South America women stopped taking it, there were uninvestigated health issues and side effects and one death from bleeding without autopsy, but since no one got pregnant, it was declared a success. Not to say that modern options are not better. I think it's historically accurate to say early male pill…

Agree 100%. I have so many female friends who felt a ton better after getting off. There's even some evidence to suggest that it changes women's mating preferences. But the pill is one of the sacred cows of that wave of feminism, so people don't like questioning it even though it fucks over women.

But given the massive demand by women I wouldn't call it "patriarchy".

The massively potent synthetic hormones used by the pill are showing up in water supplies now. To me that externality is enough reason to ban it, people don't get to expose guys to estrogenic shit so they can avoid pregnancy.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by burnoutgal »

rpastuszak wrote: post #71
DebtDeflation wrote: post #60

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>Injections into the penis Pass.

This hardly compares to what women on the pill have to go through, for years. Why are we so squeamish about this?

Women get IUDs inserted with nothing more than OTC painkillers, generally. Especially in people who have never given birth it can be cripplingly painful and cause severe cramps for weeks.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by collegeburner »

mrfusion wrote: post #33

How does this not cause side effects if it blocks the cells ability to process vitamin A?

I don't know what kind of longitudinal research exists with this drug but it seems shutting off anything in the testes for long enough causes them to start atrophying. I fear this might be the case even if it doesn't present like the juicehead shrivled nuts.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by lwkl »

recuter wrote: post #36
pcthrowaway wrote: post #18

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Vasalgel (a reversible injection that prevents your swimmers from making it into the sauce) is another interesting one that has never made it to release for perplexing reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm...

This one requires two injections right into the most awkward bit of ye old twig and berries, the first to numb the pain from the second. Afterwards you walk around sore with a swollen scrotum for a week. Doesn't seem that perplexing. Unless you're into that sort of thing, not that there is anything wrong with that..

IUDs are a thing for women and what you are describing sounds similar to the experience putting in or taking out an IUD is according to some women who described it to me.

I don't know how long the injections last but if they last a similar time as IUDs. I think this would be acceptable. But maybe there aren't enough men that are willing to get birth control like this, to market this product. The incentive for women to take birth control is much higher after all.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by xienze »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #56
zmgsabst wrote: post #39

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Yes — it’s absolutely psychotic to hope for a mass loss of human life and the decline of our species. There’s no reason to think it would make things better — and many to think a massive population decline would come with a technology regression and stall of our advancement. I think such ideas are a form of mental illness, often stemming from delusions about the world.

Not a decline but a stabilisation. That's really what's needed to make our planet sustainable. Right now the absolute worst thing you can do for the environment is to have a child as a westerner. And we're not hoping for loss of life. Just a more balanced population in the long term. We can't keep growing until every square meter of this planet is covered with people, I'm sure that's clear. Eventually resources will…

> Right now the absolute worst thing you can do for the environment is to have a child as a westerner.

Just out of curiosity, are you also opposed to immigration from third world countries into first world ones?

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by burnoutgal »

grapeskin wrote: post #55
gidorah wrote: post #51

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What? Any attempt to regulate or restrict birth control against women is consistently held up as the “patriarchy” because it restricts women’s autonomy. Now not restricting it is patriarchy? Seems like literally everything is. So far, men’s birth controls haven’t been legalized because the risks have been pretty massive. The last trial I heard of had a massive risk of suicide. “Patriarchy” has no part of it.

Women should have the option to control their own bodies - that means allowing birth control and abortion.

It's also patriarchy at work that men would never tolerate even 1/10th of the risks women face in preventing pregnancy. Look at the responses to getting a small injection - "nobody would ever do that"! Hormonal birth control is great for some women, but terrible for others. It can also cause suicidality, but the side effects are routinely downplayed because women are expected to "deal with it". There's more research into how to keep men's hair from falling out and keep their dicks hard than there is into the most comfortable way to insert IUDs, or the side effects of hormonal birth control.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by cik2e »

ada1981 wrote: post #38

It’s kinda wild that women are basically expected to take on all the side effect risk of birth control and no one even questions it unless side effects are actually death (Remember Yaz?). I’m also curious about how blocking vitamin A doesn’t have side effects - don’t I need vitamin A?

I don't think "expected" is the right word when a) it's the only option and b) women suffer most of the consequences of unwanted pregnancies.

I guess there are child support for males wrt to (b), which could very well incentivize the use of a male pill.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by slothtrop »

simulate-me wrote: post #31
timmg wrote: post #4

In Western countries and in Asia, fertility rates are pretty (edit: low) these days. I fear they would collapse with the introduction of a male fertility pill. In some sense, maybe that's not bad. The world is probably overpopulated. But if fertility drops too fast it creates real demographics problems in that few young people need to support many old people.

Do we really need more people? America has almost 350 million, and is completely dwarfed by India and China. That seems like plenty of people to me.

We don't, and the global population rate is poised to level off in 50-100 years anyway. Chasing the growth dragon is nice for the elites right now (and sold to us as a virtue and/or "good for the economy"), but it's unsustainable in the very long run, and has consequences in the short-run at certain thresholds. Always a source of amusement because the absurdity of perpetual growth is gleefully acknowledged by the left, but as it pertains to population, the blinders go on.

We have two potential paths as a society between a return to Serfdom, and a future where people still own things.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by collegeburner »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #56
zmgsabst wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes — it’s absolutely psychotic to hope for a mass loss of human life and the decline of our species. There’s no reason to think it would make things better — and many to think a massive population decline would come with a technology regression and stall of our advancement. I think such ideas are a form of mental illness, often stemming from delusions about the world.

Not a decline but a stabilisation. That's really what's needed to make our planet sustainable. Right now the absolute worst thing you can do for the environment is to have a child as a westerner. And we're not hoping for loss of life. Just a more balanced population in the long term. We can't keep growing until every square meter of this planet is covered with people, I'm sure that's clear. Eventually resources will…

America amd Europe should not see falling population and declining economys to compensate for other countries' massively high birth rates. I should still get my 2 kids and will not change because somebody else had 8.

There's also the colossal millitary risk of being a nation with bad demographics fighting one with good ones. Which I am not willing to take.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by slothtrop »

burnoutgal wrote: post #106
grapeskin wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Any attempt to regulate or restrict birth control against women is consistently held up as the “patriarchy” because it restricts women’s autonomy. Now not restricting it is patriarchy? Seems like literally everything is. So far, men’s birth controls haven’t been legalized because the risks have been pretty massive. The last trial I heard of had a massive risk of suicide. “Patriarchy” has no part of it.

Women should have the option to control their own bodies - that means allowing birth control and abortion. It's also patriarchy at work that men would never tolerate even 1/10th of the risks women face in preventing pregnancy. Look at the responses to getting a small injection - "nobody would ever do that"! Hormonal birth control is great for some women, but terrible for others. It can also cause suicidality, but the…

> It's also patriarchy at work that men would never tolerate even 1/10th of the risks women face in preventing pregnancy.

Based on what, anecdotes and your projection?

Anecdotally many men have voiced that if they could endure the pain of childbirth in place of their wives, they would. But I suppose that doesn't fit the narrative.

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