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New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by gidorah »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #32
slowmotiony wrote: post #10

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There is Trestolone which is studied and shown to be very effective (patients had zero sperm in their ejaculate after several months of administering the compound), but there are hormonal side effects similar to testosterone, which kind of explains why it's pretty much only used in the bodybuilding community. The pill in the article is a non-hormonal one, which is interesting

are the side effects really that much worse than what women have to deal with with their birth control? I’ve heard a lot of hormonal horror stories from women on the pill

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Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by GekkePrutser »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #32
slowmotiony wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is Trestolone which is studied and shown to be very effective (patients had zero sperm in their ejaculate after several months of administering the compound), but there are hormonal side effects similar to testosterone, which kind of explains why it's pretty much only used in the bodybuilding community. The pill in the article is a non-hormonal one, which is interesting

are the side effects really that much worse than what women have to deal with with their birth control? I’ve heard a lot of hormonal horror stories from women on the pill

From what I'm told the pill makes menstruation less painful and awkward for some women. To the point that they don't notice it very much.

Perhaps there are different kinds but this is what I'm told..

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by GekkePrutser »

timmg wrote: post #4

In Western countries and in Asia, fertility rates are pretty (edit: low) these days. I fear they would collapse with the introduction of a male fertility pill. In some sense, maybe that's not bad. The world is probably overpopulated. But if fertility drops too fast it creates real demographics problems in that few young people need to support many old people.

I don't think it'll make a big difference. We're already at the point where people only have kids when they want to. It might reduce some accidents but I think that's good. Not nice for a child to be unwanted.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by GekkePrutser »

Mirioron wrote: post #21
thatjoeoverthr wrote: post #13

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We shouldn’t rely on unplanned pregnancies for the birth rates. There are other strategies.

The other strategies are clearly not working though. Birth rates have at best stayed steady or declined.

They should keep going down if we want to save this planet. Our population growth is unsustainable.

It'll cause some demographic issues in the short term but we'll just have to deal with that.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by grapeskin »

gidorah wrote: post #51
micromacrofoot wrote: post #32

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are the side effects really that much worse than what women have to deal with with their birth control? I’ve heard a lot of hormonal horror stories from women on the pill

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What? Any attempt to regulate or restrict birth control against women is consistently held up as the “patriarchy” because it restricts women’s autonomy. Now not restricting it is patriarchy? Seems like literally everything is.

So far, men’s birth controls haven’t been legalized because the risks have been pretty massive. The last trial I heard of had a massive risk of suicide. “Patriarchy” has no part of it.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by GekkePrutser »

zmgsabst wrote: post #39
everdrive wrote: post #27

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The rough transition aside, would it be so bad to return to lower population levels? The only thing I'm sad about is that I won't live to see the population decline rather than increase.

Yes — it’s absolutely psychotic to hope for a mass loss of human life and the decline of our species. There’s no reason to think it would make things better — and many to think a massive population decline would come with a technology regression and stall of our advancement. I think such ideas are a form of mental illness, often stemming from delusions about the world.

Not a decline but a stabilisation. That's really what's needed to make our planet sustainable.

Right now the absolute worst thing you can do for the environment is to have a child as a westerner.

And we're not hoping for loss of life. Just a more balanced population in the long term.

We can't keep growing until every square meter of this planet is covered with people, I'm sure that's clear. Eventually resources will be constrained too much and massive wars over control of the scraps will be inevitable. Which will solve the problem of overpopulation, sure. But it'll be better to gradually reduce population growth to zero and finally reach a balance with our environment.

Nobody is speaking of a massive decline.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by woodruffw »

hasbot wrote: post #49
timmg wrote: post #4

In Western countries and in Asia, fertility rates are pretty (edit: low) these days. I fear they would collapse with the introduction of a male fertility pill. In some sense, maybe that's not bad. The world is probably overpopulated. But if fertility drops too fast it creates real demographics problems in that few young people need to support many old people.

I see this comment about not enough young people to take care of the old. Why is this concern so common among, presumably, young people? Of the older people I know or have known, none are/were being taken care of by younger people. I'm a 57 bachelor and I know I'll never be taken care of by anybody.

I think most younger people are acutely aware that their retirement/pension payments aren’t earmarked for them, but are already being used for today’s retirees.

That isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but to use your case as an example: you might not have anybody in particular taking care of you, but you might collect social security for the next three or four decades. After your initial investment, the majority of that money will be coming from the current working-age population.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by kiba »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #56
zmgsabst wrote: post #39

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Yes — it’s absolutely psychotic to hope for a mass loss of human life and the decline of our species. There’s no reason to think it would make things better — and many to think a massive population decline would come with a technology regression and stall of our advancement. I think such ideas are a form of mental illness, often stemming from delusions about the world.

Not a decline but a stabilisation. That's really what's needed to make our planet sustainable. Right now the absolute worst thing you can do for the environment is to have a child as a westerner. And we're not hoping for loss of life. Just a more balanced population in the long term. We can't keep growing until every square meter of this planet is covered with people, I'm sure that's clear. Eventually resources will…

We will probably be more constrained by heat dissipation than resources.

The problem is not running out of material or energy, but the effect of pollution.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by bqmjjx0kac »

jtbayly wrote: post #50
igetspam wrote: post #42

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But we don't parity or growth. A decline would would tax our systems less and we could still provide for our elderly.

It depends on the systems. Social security is a system that would be under greater pressure, not less.

Hot take: social security is a Ponzi scheme.

Re: New Male Birth Control Pill Effectively Prevents Pregnancy Without Side Effects

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Post by DebtDeflation »

igetspam wrote: post #37
pcthrowaway wrote: post #18

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Vasalgel (a reversible injection that prevents your swimmers from making it into the sauce) is another interesting one that has never made it to release for perplexing reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm...

Injections into the penis are probably a non starter for a lot of people. I had a vasectomy, so I don't have anything to worry about now but I'd choose a pill over a shot any day, no matter how frequent. Also, being able to stop taking a pill whenever I want is a benefit. Had I not already chosen a permanent path, I'd sign up for a trial today.

>Injections into the penis

Pass.

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