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Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by justsomehnguy »

FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #15
samvega_ wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's part of the information warfare camapign of western media. News media challenging the narrative are being banned or threatened into submission.

I think it would be counter productive to bring attention to this. They're a very small percentage of Ukraine population. If ANY country got invaded some of the soldiers defending against invaders are going to be fascists, it's inevitable. If the US got invaded and you wanted to throw out the fascists out of the army you wouldn't have much of an army lol. Defending against an invasion from a foreign country is not re…

> If ANY country got invaded some of the soldiers defending against invaders are going to be fascists, it's inevitable

> Defending against an invasion from a foreign country is not really the time to discuss political ideologies

Yeah, yeah, it is like they just popped into existence on February 24.

If Ukraine government was really bothered with them they wouldn't exist now (or at least they wouldn't be a part of the country military forces) and it couldn't be used by Putin as one of the means to justify the invasion. Yet...

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by yucky »

FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #15
samvega_ wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's part of the information warfare camapign of western media. News media challenging the narrative are being banned or threatened into submission.

I think it would be counter productive to bring attention to this. They're a very small percentage of Ukraine population. If ANY country got invaded some of the soldiers defending against invaders are going to be fascists, it's inevitable. If the US got invaded and you wanted to throw out the fascists out of the army you wouldn't have much of an army lol. Defending against an invasion from a foreign country is not re…

How does the saying go, "if you sit down at a table with 10 Nazi's, there is now a table of 11 Nazi's"?

It's been interesting watching how quickly this narrative changed once Ukraine became the center of attention on social media.

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by FrenchDevRemote »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #31
FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it would be counter productive to bring attention to this. They're a very small percentage of Ukraine population. If ANY country got invaded some of the soldiers defending against invaders are going to be fascists, it's inevitable. If the US got invaded and you wanted to throw out the fascists out of the army you wouldn't have much of an army lol. Defending against an invasion from a foreign country is not re…

> If ANY country got invaded some of the soldiers defending against invaders are going to be fascists, it's inevitable > Defending against an invasion from a foreign country is not really the time to discuss political ideologies Yeah, yeah, it is like they just popped into existence on February 24. If Ukraine government was really bothered with them they wouldn't exist now (or at least they wouldn't be a part of the…

There is fascists in America and in most European countries. There is more white supremacists in America than Azov members in Ukraine(in %), but the GOP still exists, and there is American senators against interracial marriage.

There is literal nazis in any army in the world. Armies are rarely full of peaceful left leaning people.

putin doesn't need a reason. for anything. he murdered people for decades without repercussions, why would he need any kind of justification?

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by yucky »

seunosewa wrote: post #6
samvega_ wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's part of the information warfare camapign of western media. News media challenging the narrative are being banned or threatened into submission.

Could you prove this? That would be a great article.

https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011528/zelensky-nat...

Zelensky has banned all opposition parties that were critical of him in any way, claiming they "were all Russians", which looking at a few of the parties banned is clearly a joke.

Zelensky also banned all non-state approved news, forcing all information to be funneled through his one approved network.

This was after banning all males age 18-60 from leaving the country. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/02/25/russia-...

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by estaseuropano »

dua2020 wrote: post #3

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Azov is one of the batallions there but your post is totally skewed. If your country is attacked and the KKK volunteer to fight, will you stop them from doing so?

Why should the western media focus on which troops fight on the Ukrainian side if we have a clear aggressor, the invading country of Russia. It is a bullshit narrative to say they are fighting Nazis. they are fighting Ukrainians, some of which may be Nazis, but so are some of the Russian troops.

That you demand western media acknowledge the absurd and made up casus belli of denazification is simply crazy. It means you bought into the Russian propaganda, whether you know it or not.

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by Buttons840 »

dua2020 wrote: post #3

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Here's an interesting Reddit post from a IT worker in Ukraine regarding Azov: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ti35ls/ukrainian_t...

This is not meant to support or refute any part of this HN discussion, I just found it interesting and wanted to link it.

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by water8 »

cute_boi wrote: post #21
sph wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's part of the information warfare camapign. Period. Western media has propaganda just like Russian media has theirs. Don't try to spin it as if the West is lying and Russia is not. I would give you benefit of the doubt, but your post history shows you've been lamenting about the demonisation of Russian media, so your bias, as well as mine, is clear.

Both Western and Russian media are liars and full of Shenanigans. The only thing that matters is who is winning it. Many social accounts, streaming websites, news etc. must oblige to US policy otherwise they are banned or they face attrition. Just see wion news. They have been speaking in favor of Ukraine in every news. But, they were banned because US thinks some news might be inappropriate for them. https://twitter…

Twitter and facebook are not interchangeable with “US”

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by estaseuropano »

cute_boi wrote: post #21
sph wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's part of the information warfare camapign. Period. Western media has propaganda just like Russian media has theirs. Don't try to spin it as if the West is lying and Russia is not. I would give you benefit of the doubt, but your post history shows you've been lamenting about the demonisation of Russian media, so your bias, as well as mine, is clear.

Both Western and Russian media are liars and full of Shenanigans. The only thing that matters is who is winning it. Many social accounts, streaming websites, news etc. must oblige to US policy otherwise they are banned or they face attrition. Just see wion news. They have been speaking in favor of Ukraine in every news. But, they were banned because US thinks some news might be inappropriate for them. https://twitter…

First, there is no simple western media. That of Poland is different from Germany is different from France is totally different from the US media. Some of those are better than others

Second, we have a classic dilemma. There is a media openly spreading lies and wartime propaganda. Will you teeate the spread of blatant lies, hatred and incitement in the interest of "freedom" when the aim of that very media is not to inform but to incite anger, aggression and sow doubt about the government?

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by dua2020 »

estaseuropano wrote: post #35
dua2020 wrote: post #3

Quoted post unavailable.

Azov is one of the batallions there but your post is totally skewed. If your country is attacked and the KKK volunteer to fight, will you stop them from doing so? Why should the western media focus on which troops fight on the Ukrainian side if we have a clear aggressor, the invading country of Russia. It is a bullshit narrative to say they are fighting Nazis. they are fighting Ukrainians, some of which may be Nazis,…

Unbiased media reporting can simply say 'the Russians claim' and there you go.

America/NATO and Ukraine can claim what they want in the media and are quoted constantly.

There is a lack of non-aligned third-party verification of anything in this conflict so it's the least the media can do.

If you would like to see what putting arms in the hands of fundamentalists to fight for the US/NATOs side see Syria, Iraq, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Libya etc

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by estaseuropano »

unmole wrote: post #23
FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it would be counter productive to bring attention to this. They're a very small percentage of Ukraine population. If ANY country got invaded some of the soldiers defending against invaders are going to be fascists, it's inevitable. If the US got invaded and you wanted to throw out the fascists out of the army you wouldn't have much of an army lol. Defending against an invasion from a foreign country is not re…

It's funny how they're simultaneously a small fringe group and at the same time a vital element of defence. > If the US got invaded and you wanted to throw out the fascists out of the army you wouldn't have much of an army lol. What an absurd premise. How many servicemen do you know? > the russians are out they can go back to making less than 5% of votes Right, because there is no way they would draw more support aft…

In any country a certain part of the population holds extreme views. If the military represents more or less the population then by necessity it will contain some fascists etc. If anything, you would not expect many vegans or non-violence activists in the military, but you would certainly expect to see those people that love power, weapons and the language of force, which correlates quite strongly with fascist views.

Op did not claim that the whole military is fascist.

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