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Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by cute_boi »

sph wrote: post #9
samvega_ wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's part of the information warfare camapign of western media. News media challenging the narrative are being banned or threatened into submission.

> It's part of the information warfare camapign. Period. Western media has propaganda just like Russian media has theirs. Don't try to spin it as if the West is lying and Russia is not. I would give you benefit of the doubt, but your post history shows you've been lamenting about the demonisation of Russian media, so your bias, as well as mine, is clear.

Both Western and Russian media are liars and full of Shenanigans. The only thing that matters is who is winning it. Many social accounts, streaming websites, news etc. must oblige to US policy otherwise they are banned or they face attrition.

Just see wion news. They have been speaking in favor of Ukraine in every news. But, they were banned because US thinks some news might be inappropriate for them. https://twitter.com/WIONews/status/1507378019563974659

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by belter »

FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #15
samvega_ wrote: post #5

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It's part of the information warfare camapign of western media. News media challenging the narrative are being banned or threatened into submission.

I think it would be counter productive to bring attention to this. They're a very small percentage of Ukraine population. If ANY country got invaded some of the soldiers defending against invaders are going to be fascists, it's inevitable. If the US got invaded and you wanted to throw out the fascists out of the army you wouldn't have much of an army lol. Defending against an invasion from a foreign country is not re…

Around 2% percent of the votes:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220325-azov-regiment...

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by unmole »

FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #15
samvega_ wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's part of the information warfare camapign of western media. News media challenging the narrative are being banned or threatened into submission.

I think it would be counter productive to bring attention to this. They're a very small percentage of Ukraine population. If ANY country got invaded some of the soldiers defending against invaders are going to be fascists, it's inevitable. If the US got invaded and you wanted to throw out the fascists out of the army you wouldn't have much of an army lol. Defending against an invasion from a foreign country is not re…

It's funny how they're simultaneously a small fringe group and at the same time a vital element of defence.

> If the US got invaded and you wanted to throw out the fascists out of the army you wouldn't have much of an army lol.

What an absurd premise. How many servicemen do you know?

> the russians are out they can go back to making less than 5% of votes

Right, because there is no way they would draw more support after being lionized as heros.

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by ABoredBirb »

samvega_ wrote: post #10
seunosewa wrote: post #6

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Could you prove this? That would be a great article.

ASBMilitary was banned from Twitter. They said their reporters in Ukraine were threatened due to the nature of their reporting, which challenged the Ukrainian narrative we're fed in the West. Of course all Russian-friendly media platforms are banned. The narrative they bring is dangerous to the false image we're creating here in the west. Social media platforms are waging war on "misinformation", removing content and…

ASBMilitary was actively cheering on the Russian invasion, repeating their propaganda word for word.

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by stanito »

inglor_cz wrote: post #16
stanito wrote: post #8

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Has it ever occurred to you that Azov Battalion is nothing more than an element of Russian disinformation campaign aimed at diluting facts and masking Kremlin’s true intentions? The fact that there’s a nationalist movement in Ukraine should not be a surprise given the massacre in Feb 2014, annexation of Crimea, an 8-year war-by-proxy that followed, and now an outright invasion. Painting any desire at establishing a s…

Let me begin with the info that I am all for Ukraine and I hope Russia loses their war of aggression badly. Putin's regime is the closest that we have to the Third Reich and/or Stalin's USSR in Europe right now. But I still cannot help but notice how the Western sensibilities changed from "Punch a Nazi!" (in 2020, when most of those weren't even true Nazis) to "Let's not speak of those actual SS-symbol-sporting troop…

I agree, brandishing SS symbols is misplaced and wrong by however few actually do it. Honestly, you opened my eyes a bit. Growing up in western Ukraine, my half-Polish family told stories of the Lviv pogroms and how numerous Ukrainians provided shelter for Jewish families and helped them hide but I never knew the extent of Ukrainian participation.

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by trasz »

unmole wrote: post #20
inglor_cz wrote: post #19

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Kaliningrad is an exclave too and yet it sits in the EU's territory like a sore thumb. Pre-WWII Germans were very unhappy about Danzig. Ukraine as a whole isn't really a strategic threat to a country of size and power of Russia, but I don't think that cool rationality prevails in the Kremlin right now. Their concept of "strategy" is much more imperial than what we are used to.

> Kaliningrad is an exclave too and yet it sits in the EU's territory like a sore thumb. I don't think anyone is really too bothered about Kaliningrad. Are they? It's not like Germany wants it back or anything. > Russia, but I don't think that cool rationality prevails in the Kremlin right now. Their concept of "strategy" is much more imperial than what we are used to. Oh, I don't disagree with it this at all. But th…

Germans won’t, but Poland might want it back. Russia needs to bleed out first though.

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by DukeBaset »

samvega_ wrote: post #10
seunosewa wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you prove this? That would be a great article.

ASBMilitary was banned from Twitter. They said their reporters in Ukraine were threatened due to the nature of their reporting, which challenged the Ukrainian narrative we're fed in the West. Of course all Russian-friendly media platforms are banned. The narrative they bring is dangerous to the false image we're creating here in the west. Social media platforms are waging war on "misinformation", removing content and…

I mean other than when invading poor, impoverished countries in third world for reasons full of deceit, corruption and material gain, when has Western media ever lied to us?

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by justsomehnguy »

stanito wrote: post #25
inglor_cz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me begin with the info that I am all for Ukraine and I hope Russia loses their war of aggression badly. Putin's regime is the closest that we have to the Third Reich and/or Stalin's USSR in Europe right now. But I still cannot help but notice how the Western sensibilities changed from "Punch a Nazi!" (in 2020, when most of those weren't even true Nazis) to "Let's not speak of those actual SS-symbol-sporting troop…

I agree, brandishing SS symbols is misplaced and wrong by however few actually do it. Honestly, you opened my eyes a bit. Growing up in western Ukraine, my half-Polish family told stories of the Lviv pogroms and how numerous Ukrainians provided shelter for Jewish families and helped them hide but I never knew the extent of Ukrainian participation.

> I never knew the extent of Ukrainian participation

... and UPA[0] is just a resistance movement against Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, right?

It was "fun" to see UPA flags proudly flying in earlier videos in /r/CombatFootage.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#Massa...

Re: Ukraine reaches breaking point in Russia’s war

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Post by FrenchDevRemote »

unmole wrote: post #23
FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it would be counter productive to bring attention to this. They're a very small percentage of Ukraine population. If ANY country got invaded some of the soldiers defending against invaders are going to be fascists, it's inevitable. If the US got invaded and you wanted to throw out the fascists out of the army you wouldn't have much of an army lol. Defending against an invasion from a foreign country is not re…

It's funny how they're simultaneously a small fringe group and at the same time a vital element of defence. > If the US got invaded and you wanted to throw out the fascists out of the army you wouldn't have much of an army lol. What an absurd premise. How many servicemen do you know? > the russians are out they can go back to making less than 5% of votes Right, because there is no way they would draw more support aft…

They're near the border so obviously they can be seen as vital. They also were preparing for years.

If you're willingly getting a job that entails killing brown people overseas for no legitimate reason you're kind of a fascist :) If you voted for trump you're kind of a fascist.

>Right, because there is no way they would draw more support after being lionized as heros.

Like I said, I don't think this is the time to think about this, if your city was getting destroyed by a foreign invader, would you really care who's fighting the invaders? If they committed crimes they can be dealt with later once Ukraine assured its survival.

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