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37% of jobs in the United States can be performed entirely at home

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Post by harperlee »

humanwhosits wrote: post #198
30367286 wrote: post #162

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>I'd spin this around and cast it as a challenge -- regular, forced interactions with coworkers is minimally sufficient and retards some people from pursuing social activities outside the home. Absolutely. Additionally, even getting to that set of regular, forced interactions necessarily consumes the limited time those people would have to pursue those social activities outside the home. That is, it's hard to have a…

Hybrid has all the downsides of office work, it's just less hours of it

Quantity has a quality all its own.

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Post by careersaas »

This is approx ~30% in Europe, meanwhile of the positions that "can be performed entirely at home", interestingly these remote positions take half as long to fill... in comparison to fully office-based positions.

Source: https://app.careersaas.com/portal/career-search.html

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Post by Leherenn »

Cd00d wrote: post #316
Leherenn wrote: post #184

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That sounds weird to me. Our current office can sit 5, with conference room, kitchen, ... It costs about 20% of an engineer's salary. And we're in one of the most expensive place in the world for rent.

Is office space really that cheap? That actually sounds like a LOT of space compared to a 2-bedroom apartment in Brooklyn that would cost quite a bit more....

I think it's around 70 sqm, so pretty equivalent to a 2-bedroom really. We have a common area with 3 people and a small kitchen, a smaller room with 2 people and a conference room. Toilets are shared with other similar offices. And it's in an industrial building a few minutes away from the city centre, so a bit cheaper.

But even then, you can put 4/5 people comfortably in a 2-bedroom in Brooklyn if it's designed for it, and it's not going to cost you multiple times an engineer salary.

It might not scale as well though if you need to own your own campus with security, catering and all that.

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Post by daniel-cussen »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #376
daniel-cussen wrote: post #374

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Mostly it's invasion of privacy. Your boss can invade your privacy trivially at work, and get reads on you about how little you can be paid, how much abuse you can actually take, to what degree he can injure you long-term so you have a worse negotiating position, what the consequences will be of going over that, all kinds of things. Like a typical boss will spend all day plotting how to get an employee to work unpaid…

> Gaslighting requires analog. No, no it doesn't. Sometimes the most powerful gas-lighter is oneself. Silence can cause me to gaslight myself. Shit, my boss isn't responding.. is he mad at me? Or fuck, a Zoom meeting at 4 PM on Friday fuck fuck. It must have been that PR.. I thought I removed the creds.. Of course I didn't, I never remember that. Fuck. Again. Damnit. I can't stand to look at it.. Also human communica…

I would like to add to my other response:

> Also human communication is more than words and sounds, but expressions, body movement, minor twitches etc. Someone can be terrible at lying or obfuscating the truth in person and write some convincing shit in an email.

That's you. That's the employee. The convincing shit in an email is a raise ultimatum. The person who is terrible at lying or obfuscating the truth in person is the employee who needs to hide that his wife got pregnant or son got no financial aid from Stanford. Needs to hide his need, but needs his need to motivate him to get the raise he needs.

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Post by Terretta »

stevemk14ebr wrote: post #378
Terretta wrote: post #354

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> 27.6 minutes Something’s wrong with this stat. Almost nobody can get from chair at home to chair at work in that time. My present office is 1.6 miles of which ~1 mile is Interstate, yet it’s at best 22 minutes house door to office door (not chair to chair) if I hit traffic lights, as low as 14 minutes if all greens. Google Maps and Apple Maps say it’s 6 - 8 minutes in off hours. Once car is on street, only greens,…

Lol, your life is not everyones. I also get to work in under 15 minutes on average. How? I live within 2 miles of work and I have a vehicle.

> How? I live within 2 miles of work and I have a vehicle.

In the post I noted that I live 1.6 miles and have a vehicle, and there are 2 traffic lights.

> under 15 minutes on average

Made a few other points that pre-debate your comment.

> Lol, your life is not everyone.

Yep. That’s why my initial comment wondered about the distribution, and why I linked to the Census writeup, with the distribution. That’s everyone.

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Post by Terretta »

Terretta wrote: post #354
saltharp wrote: post #351

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> That is, it's hard to have a strong social life when you commute, at best, 5 hours a week. And that's if you're lucky. "At best"? The average commute in the US is 27.6 minutes, according to the Census Bureau. My commute is a 10 minute bike ride. Luck had nothing to do with it, just a different set of priorities in life. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2021/one-way-...

> 27.6 minutes Something’s wrong with this stat. Almost nobody can get from chair at home to chair at work in that time. My present office is 1.6 miles of which ~1 mile is Interstate, yet it’s at best 22 minutes house door to office door (not chair to chair) if I hit traffic lights, as low as 14 minutes if all greens. Google Maps and Apple Maps say it’s 6 - 8 minutes in off hours. Once car is on street, only greens,…

ADDED NOTE:

In my posted I mentioned using tools to heat-map travel times to select residences for optimized commutes.

Here’s a great writeup of “isochrone map generator” tooling:

https://traveltime.com/blog/free-isochrone-map-generator

Here is an example, note outer bubbles tied to faster roads:

https://assets-global.website-files.com/60759e0794bb7b3714fb...

Similar map, with outer bubbles tied to commuter rail:

https://assets-global.website-files.com/60759e0794bb7b3714fb...

So for instance we selected our office to be at an Interstate off ramp and also at a commuter rail station, and I selected my residence to be two blocks up from one exit away against rush hour traffic, and another commuter rail station. Note that when there’s a train, if I don’t count waiting, the train is faster than the car. Unfortunately, trains “on average” make you wait for 1/2 the time between trains, and in the US, the train and the delay may not be predictable.

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Post by gilbetron »

The company I work for had a "return to office" about two weeks ago, and while we still are 50%+ remote, those that aren't we're now in the office a lot more. My first impression after two weeks is how little the in office people get done. They spend a significant amount of time socializing and walking around to meetings and getting meeting rooms working and eating, and when they are in meetings, are less focused, and when they aren't in meetings, they talk about not being able to concentrate as well because of all the distractions.

They also seem to be having a lot more fun!

It should be interesting to see how it plays out in the next few years!

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Post by AlwaysRock »

Cd00d wrote: post #273
AlwaysRock wrote: post #62

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I'd happily do quarterly week long company regional on sites. It's expensive for companies to do, if they do it right and cover all costs and travel for sig others/family, but its still cheaper than rent on a big office building.

That's actually a lot to ask of people with children or other dependents in their care. A quarterly 2-day off-site is far more digestible. Which I agree is still a great compromise in expense and f2f to an office.

Sure. I'd take 2-3 days as well. A week is pretty long for anything quarterly. But if you are only doing once a year a week is pretty reasonable.

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Post by npteljes »

ethbr0 wrote: post #121
Adraghast wrote: post #100

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> I assume that some people are just very lonely and need face to face Anecdata from Hacker News suggests this is true. A lot of lonely young men here freely admit their coworkers are the only people they regularly interact with in-person, and remote work takes that away from them.

I'd spin this around and cast it as a challenge -- regular, forced interactions with coworkers is minimally sufficient and retards some people from pursuing social activities outside the home. There are already a number of options in even the smallest town. I expect that will increase as more people move to WFH and seek social outlets. And at the end of the day "interacting with coworkers in the break room" is a pret…

>There are already a number of options in even the smallest town

Can you elaborate on what options do you mean by this? I have to admit I'd have no idea where to go or what to do if I needed this.

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Post by throw0101a »

WYepQ4dNnG wrote: post #381
30367286 wrote: post #169

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>Working remote is just what I need, and I am way more productive. I acknowledge that you and many others derive personal satisfaction from productivity. I do too. However, I strongly believe we should move away from productivity as the measure of whether we should work from home. Primarily because it individualizes productivity and turns any deficits into a moral failing. It is incumbent on our employers to create t…

For me being productive means that I can get stuff done in less time, hence I have more time for taking care of myself and my family.

I put in forty hours a week as per my employment contract states. If I'm more or less productive is irrelevant to the amount of time I have to take care of myself or my family.

If I have a productive day, I sign off between 4-5 PM. If I have a non-productive day, I sign off between 4-5 PM.

If I happen to be more productive it does not mean I get more hours to do stuff in my personal time / get more personal time.

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