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Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by b112 »

andi999 wrote: post #136
viraptor wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if your want to see full crazy, check https://old.reddit.com/r/RawMeat/ > Vomit, diarrhea, coughing, sneezing, sweating, are all ways that the body expels toxins.

What is wrong with raw meat? Here you can buy raw minced pork for direct consumption (on bread rolls) almost everywhere. Why should ppl get sick from that?

Raw pork meat is not fine, as pork can have many worms, and other things, humans can catch.

Cooking kills these things.

People eat raw eggs in North America, but that's safe because of antibiotics in chicken feed. Salmonella can kill.

Beef is safer, which is why you only need char the outside to be safe.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by snovv_crash »

People here are confusing pasteurisation with homogenisation. Pasteurised milk can still have the cream on top.

What changes that is that usually the big dairies want to sell the cream separately, so first they skim it off, and then they homogenise the milk by vigorously shaking it until the internal structures all break down and it stays perfectly mixed.

Personally, I'm very happy to drink pasteurised milk. But I'd love it if normal supermarket milk wasn't homogenised. Getting a bit of cream at the beginning of every bottle of milk is such a treat.

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Post by earleybird »

A common pattern in the "I get my raw milk from and I'm fine" appears to be that it is a nearby source, it is perhaps only a few hours old (no shelf life requirement) and the source is not at scale (a few cows perhaps). My dad grew up on a homestead where they had a few milk cows and raw milk was just how it was. Their health depended on the quality of care the gave their animals. Pasteurization is a basic requirement for scale and shelf life. Things will go wrong when you have a herd of 80 head, a half dozen hands running the milking machines and the milk ends up on the shelf for a couple of days. (maybe fewer hands now with automation). To bring it back to IT, think of it as cattle vs pets.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by varajelle »

throw3e4323 wrote: post #33
seiferteric wrote: post #6

> a bill that makes it legal to drink (but not sell) Woah it was illegal to drink! Even if you produced it from your own cow/goat etc? Personally I have no desired to drink raw milk, but I do hope raw milk cheese becomes more common/legal in the US.

That’s not surprising considering there are plants that are illegal.

I guess it's the same as mendatory vaccine. You are not allowed to risk your own sickness because of the cost to the healthcare system otherwise?

Yet... Tobacco and alcohol is no problem... Kind of contradicting, but ok.

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Post by Scaevolus »

29athrowaway wrote: post #94
rupi wrote: post #83

Growing up in a village in India, we only ever bought raw milk because there was no packaged milk available. Everyone had a deal with a local farmer. Every morning or evening, we would walk over to the farmer's house, pick up our milk and bring it home. My family in India (and the whole village) still does that. And this is where the similarity ends. The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk…

Note that boiling is not the same as pasteurization. Pasteurization involves heating but doesn't require boiling. You can pasteurize by heating to 73 degrees C for 25 seconds. Boiling, in the case of milk, is heating it to its boiling point which is around 100.17 degrees C. Boiling has a higher impact in the nutritional value of milk than pasteurization.

There's also low temperature pasteurization at 145F/62C for 30 minutes, which conveniently denatures lipase in breastmilk too.

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Post by alasdair_ »

credit_guy wrote: post #132
29athrowaway wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per cup (whole/pasteurized -> whole/boiled) - Calories: 152 -> 146 - Protein: 8.14 g -> 8 g - Carbs: 12 g -> 11.4 g - Calcium: 28% DV -> 23% DV - Vitamin D: 24% DV -> 13% DV - Vitamin B12: 18% DV -> 13% DV - Phosphorus: 22% DV -> 20% DV

So boiling reduces the amount of calories? And carbs, and proteins? How can that be? In principle boiling could induce a lot of evaporation, so the milk would be more concentrated, and so it would have more calories per cup. But people don’t boil the milk so much as to materially reduce the amount of water in it.

“Calories” measures the amount of energy a human can extract from the food. Interestingly, if you cook.a steak (for examples le) it can gain calories, not lose them.

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Post by guntars »

Reading these comments, if the world ended and the people here were left with a cow, half would starve to death and the other half would get sick. It’s just crazy to me that what was common knowledge a few generations ago is just gone.

Yes, milk breeds bacteria like crazy. It’s exponential growth too so it’s bound to go bad and when it does, it happens quickly. But if you had to drink fresh milk that was still warm, you’d be fine. Mostly.

On a related note, have you noticed how every cuisine is based on a) what is available locally and b) the best way to preserve it?

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Post by CryptoPunk »

wbsss4412 wrote: post #56
CryptoPunk wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Both parties have their fair share of anti personal liberty per issues these days.

Oh yes. For Republicans, it's usually national security and crime that justifies anti-personal-liberty laws.

The Republicans are not the party of liberty. Among senators, only Rand Paul, and Democrat Ron Wyden, voted against FOSTA for example:

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1...

National security and suspicion of foreign nations is also why the restrictions Republicans support often relate to how people interact with non-Americans. This can be seen in Republican support for sanctions and tariffs.

But I was commenting about raw milk and how the Democrats' philosophy on personal rights to consume commercial products relates to it.

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Post by lrem »

rupi wrote: post #83

Growing up in a village in India, we only ever bought raw milk because there was no packaged milk available. Everyone had a deal with a local farmer. Every morning or evening, we would walk over to the farmer's house, pick up our milk and bring it home. My family in India (and the whole village) still does that. And this is where the similarity ends. The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk…

I drank quite a bit of raw milk in my childhood. But it had to be fresh. I could walk up, glass in hand, to an uncle carrying today's yield to the storage room. I would get the most delicious milk ever. But if I was a couple minutes late, he'd tell me to go get some in the kitchen instead.

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Post by cersa8 »

zanethomas wrote: post #8

I drink raw milk whenever I can get it and have been doing so for decades. Have not gotten sick once. I believe most, if not all, dairy farmers selling raw milk are very careful.

Same. In the Netherlands it's not uncommon to find a raw milk dispensing machine at your local cow farm. You bring your own bottle, put one euro in the machine and out goes one litre of raw milk.
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