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Re: ReVanced

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Post by LordDragonfang »

xanaxagoras wrote: post #147
brink wrote: post #14

I wouldn't be so resistant to paying Youtube if they weren't so trigger happy with censorship.

Same. I was happy to pay for it a couple of years ago, but I recently cancelled a pretty long running premium subscription. If they're not outright removing videos from people I subscribe to, or outright removing people entirely, they're creating an atmosphere where those who remain rigorously self-censor to preserve their clout and income streams. Most of the content that's left is uninteresting because it's too ris…

I have plenty of very interesting stuff on my feed too. Even discussions of "controversial" topics. Other than bad-faith DMCA claims, I rarely see videos get taken down. Which leads me to wonder what type of content you're subscribing to.

Most of the time when I see complaints of "censorship" or "controversial" topics, it's a dog whistle for a very specific kind of speech.

Re: ReVanced

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Post by sofixa »

adalu wrote: post #186
sofixa wrote: post #168

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$4/person for music streaming, and all the video on the internet, without ads? What is a fair price for you?

zero because they didn't do the creation work in the first place and they don't share their revenue with the creators. So how about that?

They share revenues with creators, and enable them to have a massive reach by hosting unlimited amount of video for free.

Re: ReVanced

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Post by genera1 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #217
d82nsjk9 wrote: post #151

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why?

(Re)Vanced is an app, dealing with googles backend. They can either change the youtube app, to break Vanced, but this can be mitigated by not upgrading the youtube app, until there are patches for the new version,... or they can change the backend, thus breaking all the older youtube clients, making everyone upgrade their clients "now", which is a pain in the ass for many people.

For many devices it wouldn't be "pain in the ass", it would be straight up impossible. There are millions of devices, like smart TVs, that are out of support and don't receive updates, substantially changing API would break them. It might happen at some point, but it would piss off many people.

Re: ReVanced

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Post by genera1 »

Flankk wrote: post #95
slenk wrote: post #69

It always suprises me how unwilling the tech community is to support creators on YouTube. You're not hurting YouTube by blocking ads, you're hurting the people who get ads from their videos. Just pay for Youtube Premium - its no different than Spotify or Apple music price-wise and people shell out for that without thinking every month.

Every time this discussion comes up on HN I get downvoted for being completely against adblock. It's crazy how far people will go to justify taking food off other people's plate. Usually the argument about tracking comes up. As if it's used for anything other than attempt to sell you products and services. Completely screw over small businesses and screw the content creators. On a venture capitalist forum. The hypocr…

Am I taking food off other people's plate when I manually skip ads in podcasts I'm listening to? Do people who change channels on TV when ads start steal? Is it theft to toss ad inserts from a newspaper straight into trash?

Re: ReVanced

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

genera1 wrote: post #223
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Re)Vanced is an app, dealing with googles backend. They can either change the youtube app, to break Vanced, but this can be mitigated by not upgrading the youtube app, until there are patches for the new version,... or they can change the backend, thus breaking all the older youtube clients, making everyone upgrade their clients "now", which is a pain in the ass for many people.

For many devices it wouldn't be "pain in the ass", it would be straight up impossible. There are millions of devices, like smart TVs, that are out of support and don't receive updates, substantially changing API would break them. It might happen at some point, but it would piss off many people.

Yes, because google always cares about not pissing off people and they never shut down old services...

/s of course

Re: ReVanced

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Post by UncleMeat »

bradleykingz wrote: post #187
og_pixel wrote: post #149

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I don't know much about the topic so forgive my ignorance, but aren't Android apps written in Java/JVM language? Meaning decompilation should be really straightforward, I remember IntelliJ having a decompiler, many times I would accidental open a `class` file and it would suggest decompilation. This kind of code was still hard to read, but it was Java, not bytecode.

Android has ProGuard, which makes decompilation harder, but certainly not impossible if one is motivated enough.

ProGuard does basic name minification and some code movement. It is easy to read proguarded bytecode if you have a bit of experience.

Re: ReVanced

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Post by renewiltord »

brink wrote: post #14

I wouldn't be so resistant to paying Youtube if they weren't so trigger happy with censorship.

In general, this is my position to most paying things. There's always some legitimate reason for me to not pay for anything. Honestly, I've done it all my life. I never paid for a single college textbook, for instance. If more people would make paid things that weren't also evil, then maybe they could have my money.

The interesting thing is that the more money you have, the easier this becomes. For instance, with low cash flow, you can't afford an occasional $86 SF parking ticket. But with high cash flow, you can do the math and know that if you can escape every 3 days downtown, you come out ahead just paying the ticket.

Re: ReVanced

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Post by malermeister »

aembleton wrote: post #125
rmellow wrote: post #102

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1. Get an Android TV device. This is not actually a TV, but a device that connects to your TV via HDMI. Prices vary, but it's not expensive. 2. Install SmartTubeNext on the Android TV. Now you have something better than YouTube Premium: This app supports SponsorBlock, which not only gets rid of YT ads, it also skips filler segments, self-promotion segments and sponsor segments. 3. You can also install a SponsorBlock…

You can also install SmartTubeNext on a Firestick.

Which is running a fork of Android TV afaik

Re: ReVanced

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Post by throwaway64643 »

LosWochosWeek wrote: post #210
l-lousy wrote: post #9

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Google didn’t do anything until Vanced tried to release an NFT and profit off the app

How can people actually believe that? Sure, a 'deleted-an-hour-after-posting' tweet is what made Google muster up all their lawyers to take down an app that millions used to circumvent paying for YouTube Premium and/or watch ads. It was a stupid coincident. Google would've killed Vanced sooner or later.

When a narrative fits one's belief, they won't stop to question its validity.
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