Can Be != Should Be
By what normative standards? It's a labor market. If employers want employees to come in and get middle managed by chair watchers, I'm sure there's a number high enough to convince almost any remote-preferring worker.
37% of jobs in the United States can be performed entirely at home
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Re: 37% of jobs in the United States can be performed entirely at home
#62i know it seems unlikely now but i think we will return to the office. not 100% of the time. not everyone was doing 100% before either. but a lot of people have switched jobs in the remote only era. we have experienced / are experiencing how little we know these new people. how little we feel connected to them. how strange it is to not make new friends at a new job that go beyond the work-friend level. i think most p…
> this will be gradual but i think it is a common sentiment that we want to work with people we can see in person That's been my biggest issue, is I miss the people. I miss the coffee runs, the random lunch outings... However, if I lived my ideal schedule I would work from 0600 to 1100 ITO, break for a 'siesta', then finish my work later in the afternoon evening as my schedule allows. And so my co-workers have also h…
I'd happily do quarterly week long company regional on sites. It's expensive for companies to do, if they do it right and cover all costs and travel for sig others/family, but its still cheaper than rent on a big office building.
Re: 37% of jobs in the United States can be performed entirely at home
#63I don’t hate working in an office. I hate working in an “open plan” office where someone is always interrupting my work.
Re: 37% of jobs in the United States can be performed entirely at home
#64100% of the jobs I want to do can be performed entirely at home, but I prefer to do 100% of them in an office.
Exactly — yet so many people can’t accept that ANYONE might want to work from an office. My assumption is that people who love WFH are generally suburbanites who can’t fathom getting to work involves anything other than sitting in traffic for two hours.
You're asking someone to respect your choice to work from an office, while it feels like you're disparaging their choice to live where they want to (or possibly can afford as, for example, most of the suburbs have become cheaper than cities for much of America.)
Can we all just agree that people want different things?
Re: 37% of jobs in the United States can be performed entirely at home
#65100% of the jobs I want to do can be performed entirely at home, but I prefer to do 100% of them in an office.
Not trying to be sarcastic. I genuinely asking. Why? I'm not a fan of the office because: 1. I don't like the commute 2. I have an office in my house, but at the "office"; I would be sharing some kind of space. 3. now that covid is less of an issue I plan on going to lunch more with freinds.
I love working from home and remote suits me. But the past few months I’ve noticed more and more coworkers asking for zoom pairing sessions, increasing numbers of mob programming sessions, and a general craving for face time.
Personally I dislike those because they’re the worst of both worlds. Not quite remote, not quite in person. I get more done on my own.
In my observation many people are just very done with remote. Especially the younger folk whose lives aren’t as full of adult crap yet.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly — yet so many people can’t accept that ANYONE might want to work from an office. My assumption is that people who love WFH are generally suburbanites who can’t fathom getting to work involves anything other than sitting in traffic for two hours.
I hate cube and half cubes or like at my current job before covid I had an office that I shared with 2 other people.
This. A big problem with office work is office cube design. I'm old enough to have had a closed door office in the 90s and it was the best. I also worked in large cubes which had moveable partitions as walls where you couldn't see your neighbours. They were also good, not great, but better than today's cubes. They even had large book shelves where you could keep your reference books!
At home, I can close my door and it is much superior for my personal productivity than an open office cube plan.
Re: 37% of jobs in the United States can be performed entirely at home
#675 of us wrote Microsoft Works for the Macintosh while working at home from 1984 to 1992. Without the internet, we got together as needed to merge code, usually once a month, but sometimes once a week. We talked on the phone. We went to Microsoft once in awhile. It was ideal and worked very well.
Maybe it was just our personalities that made it work, but I am astonished that any programmer would rather go into the office. With high speed internet and video conferencing, I assume that some people are just very lonely and need face to face. I see nothing wrong with that. I understand it, but after 1992 I took a job that forced me into an office and I hated it.
I can safely say I never wrote any good code while working in an office. There are too many distractions.
Re: 37% of jobs in the United States can be performed entirely at home
#68100% of the jobs I want to do can be performed entirely at home, but I prefer to do 100% of them in an office.
Not trying to be sarcastic. I genuinely asking. Why? I'm not a fan of the office because: 1. I don't like the commute 2. I have an office in my house, but at the "office"; I would be sharing some kind of space. 3. now that covid is less of an issue I plan on going to lunch more with freinds.
I can't speak for the OP and everyone has their own reasons but
- Do you have a roommate? Children? Now your house/apartment is looking like a mini-office with shared space.
- Your house has one office. Where will your spouse/partner work? Most houses don't have two offices.
- Maybe living in a small apartment is OK for people because they can get out to larger spaces. Want to live in a studio apartment and work there too?
- Offices can have cafeterias and tend to have restaurants nearby.
- habit
Re: 37% of jobs in the United States can be performed entirely at home
#69The coding used by this survey is a joke. If 40% of an occupation says they work outdoors that's below 50% so it's bucketed into the work from home category on that criterion. I think if even 20% of a job is saying they work outdoors that's pretty strong evidence you're missing some information about what the other 80% are doing in their job that prevents it from being a work from home job. The net result of their se…
Couldn’t the job still be performed at home with the occasional on site? I’m thinking of a construction PM. The job could mainly be done at home other then when needed to meet GC on site. Seems like there is still WFH no?
That’s why the “entirely at home” from the study’s highlights is an egregious conclusion from its methods.