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The end of the nice GTK button

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Re: The end of the nice GTK button

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

--- Now one of the worst parts is that everywhere I only even hint at not completely loving the new libadwaita theme I instantly get shut down and disagreed with before I can even get the chance to give some feedback. Apparently not liking flat themes makes me a madman in this world. Why am I not allowed to even have opinions about the look of the operating system I'm using? ---

But to be honest, isn't it one of the recurring point of people running away from gnome? Haven't they just proceeded going ahead not listening to anyone?

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

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Post by azinman2 »

So basically the new GTK is iOS but without the professional designers behind it.

What I cannot understand is how Canonical, Red Hat, or some rich SV person hasn’t thrown money at the problem and hired a big wig design firm or person to overhaul it all. Johnny Ive is now even available (if he’d take the project). But even going thru a site like dribbble there are so many amazing designers out there. To me it would be a more impressive portfolio piece for a young designer to properly design GTK/Gnome and put it out there for the world. What is stopping this? It can’t be caring with the history of people sharing their themes. Is it just taste / money?

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

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Post by mikl »

von_lohengramm wrote: post #32
tomduncalf wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, I always disliked Windows font rendering and much prefer the was MacOS renders fonts. I couldn’t explain why, but I know many graphic designers who say the same. I guess it’s a matter of taste!

Any font rendering looks amazing on HiDPI panels. Have you ever used macOS on a normal monitor? The text looks worse than anything else.

For some value of “normal”. 4K (or better) monitors have long since become the choice for most of those who cares about how font rendering looks.

After a decade of “retina” screens, I’m ruined, I can’t stand the look of anti-aliased fonts, whether Windows, Linux or macOS.

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

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Post by jabbany »

von_lohengramm wrote: post #32
tomduncalf wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, I always disliked Windows font rendering and much prefer the was MacOS renders fonts. I couldn’t explain why, but I know many graphic designers who say the same. I guess it’s a matter of taste!

Any font rendering looks amazing on HiDPI panels. Have you ever used macOS on a normal monitor? The text looks worse than anything else.

This.

The devs and designers are all using 4k, 5k displays these days. Trying to use modern apps etc. on just "FHD" (1080p) displays is painful.

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

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Post by zamalek »

> Microsoft was stupid for doing it. I think Apple is stupid for doing it

Microsoft isn't actually responsible for this nonsense. Metro did get rid of bevels, but it didn't get rid of obvious buttons: they simply turned into trivial colored rectangles.

I'm not entirely sure who "refined" it, but Microsoft did eventually end up copying a bad iteration of their own good idea.

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

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Post by dheera »

SkeuomorphicBee wrote: post #15

I agree 100% with the author, the old GTK button was gorgeous, it will be missed. > I have had to explain to people tons of times that the random word in the UI somewhere in an application is actually a button they can press to invoke an action. This is one of my biggest complaints with the super flat modern designs. Many widgets lost their skeuomorphic depth, which encoded a lot if visual information (the clickabili…

UIs go through 3D and 2D in phases.

Windows 2.0 - 3.1: 2D

Windows 95 - 7: 3D

Windows 8 - 10: 2D

MacOS 6 - 7: 2D

MacOS 8 - 10: 3D

MacOS 11: 2D

As a side point, I predict Sheriff and Sans-Sheriff fonts to also go into similar phases too though over a longer time scale. We're in a very long Sans-Sheriff phase now but I think Sheriff will be "in" in 20 years.

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

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Post by wolpoli »

I don't understand why modern toolbar icons are basically abstract shapes represented by lines. It's 2022, we have 32 bit colors, but toolbar icons have less color than back 30 years ago in Windows 3.1.

Re: The end of the nice GTK button

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Post by capdeck »

SkeuomorphicBee wrote: post #15

I agree 100% with the author, the old GTK button was gorgeous, it will be missed. > I have had to explain to people tons of times that the random word in the UI somewhere in an application is actually a button they can press to invoke an action. This is one of my biggest complaints with the super flat modern designs. Many widgets lost their skeuomorphic depth, which encoded a lot if visual information (the clickabili…

A couple of times i found myself clicking on various text labels just to see if it is a title or a button. All these flat minimalist designs are a step in a horribly wrong direction.
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