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Re: Render: a Zero DevOps Cloud Platform

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Post by nicoburns » Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 5:28 PM UTC

julianlam wrote: post #39

May I ask what the benefit of this is vs spinning up your own Redis server? An equivalent solution would be to spin up a $5 droplet on DO, do basic due diligence wrt security (lock down ssh, firewall, etc.) and you end up with more memory, more connections, for less money. I realize I'm a Luddite, in the field of DevOps. Is it just the benefit of not needing to maintain the server?

> do basic due diligence wrt security (lock down ssh, firewall, etc.)

This is exactly the benefit. You don't have to do any of this stuff. For example, my organisation has two developers neither of which are experts in network security or system administration. So if can outsource this work to a 3rd party provider then that's a huge benefit. The difference in cost between a $5/month DO droplet and a $10/month managed Redis instance is negligible for us.

Re: Render: a Zero DevOps Cloud Platform

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Post by anurag » Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 5:29 PM UTC

verdverm wrote: post #14

Not sure what products they are offering, but redis changed the licenses for certain modules to prevent competition https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/21/redis-labs-changes-its-ope...

Our Redis offering is covered under the BSD-3 clause. We do not include Redis modules that need a Redis Labs license, but it isn't a problem in practice for the vast majority of Redis use cases (caching and queueing).

Re: Render: a Zero DevOps Cloud Platform

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Post by nicoburns » Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 5:31 PM UTC

Does anyone on HN have first person experience with Render? Their offering certainly looks great on paper. I'd specifically be interested in your experience with regards to:

- Stability / Uptime

- How well the management UI / API / tools work

- Any services you found you needed but aren't yet offered

- Compliance with data protection regulations

Re: Render: a Zero DevOps Cloud Platform

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Post by foxbarrington » Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 5:32 PM UTC

Been very happy with Render after migrating everything off of Netlify (they started charging 10x more after reading our git commits). Great to see them offer a hosted Redis option!

Re: Render: a Zero DevOps Cloud Platform

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Post by phphphphp » Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 5:34 PM UTC

foxbarrington wrote: post #54

Been very happy with Render after migrating everything off of Netlify (they started charging 10x more after reading our git commits). Great to see them offer a hosted Redis option!

> they started charging 10x more after reading our git commits

I’ll bite. What does this mean?

Re: Render: a Zero DevOps Cloud Platform

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Post by toomanydoubts » Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 5:34 PM UTC

julianlam wrote: post #39

May I ask what the benefit of this is vs spinning up your own Redis server? An equivalent solution would be to spin up a $5 droplet on DO, do basic due diligence wrt security (lock down ssh, firewall, etc.) and you end up with more memory, more connections, for less money. I realize I'm a Luddite, in the field of DevOps. Is it just the benefit of not needing to maintain the server?

Because we've been led to believe that hosting any kind of database yourself is an enormous challenge and unsafe and not-cloud-nativie-enough and god bless you if even for an instant you believe you have enough knowledge to run such complicated pieces of software that are harder to get right than rocket science.

At least that's what the cloud vendors want you to believe.

Re: Render: a Zero DevOps Cloud Platform

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Post by anurag » Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 5:35 PM UTC

samwillis wrote: post #49

anurag wrote: post #18

(Render founder) Hi HN, we built our managed Redis service for people who already use Render to host their apps. You can of course use it from outside Render, but ideally you'd use the Redis internal URL (e.g. redis://red-longuniqueidhere:6379) in your code that's also running on Render.

Hi, love what Render are doing, the one thing holding me back from migrating to you from Heroku is Postgres “point in time” backup restore using the write ahead log. Having used it just once before with Heroku it’s indispensable. The minute you add it we will be making the move. I know it’s on your radar but just want to give a nudge.

Coincidentally, we just had a scoping meeting for Render Postgres v2. PITR/HA are both top of mind.

Re: Render: a Zero DevOps Cloud Platform

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Post by bestinterest » Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 5:36 PM UTC

It is great to see the 'why not just host it yourself comment?'. Cliche as it is on HackerNews it always reminds me of the infamous Dropbox comment.

I personally think render has a great future, 99% of dev ops is the golden architecture involving a load balancer behind multiple app instances with a db and cache.

I don't want to care about creating automated backups. I don't want to care about managing VPS. I don't want to care about security updates (though unattended upgrades does make it easy nowadays). Let me git push with a dev environment and link available and start shipping features to customers. That is the value of Render/Heroku.

Re: Render: a Zero DevOps Cloud Platform

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Post by ksajadi » Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 5:41 PM UTC

phphphphp wrote: post #55

foxbarrington wrote: post #54

Been very happy with Render after migrating everything off of Netlify (they started charging 10x more after reading our git commits). Great to see them offer a hosted Redis option!

> they started charging 10x more after reading our git commits I’ll bite. What does this mean?

Since a lot of their customers share passwords or only use git automation to deploy without logging in, as they charge by team members, they've started to count git committers as "team members" which blows my mind: even if you can justify some sort of "cost" associated with having a team member, I can't fathom why you would charge by the git committer, except for jacking up your revenue in preparation for a sales or the next VC round or some non-customer related matter.

Re: Render: a Zero DevOps Cloud Platform

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Post by eatonphil » Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 5:45 PM UTC

jbverschoor wrote: post #15

Please rename to: "Hosted Redis" Right now it sounds as if it's a redis competitor, aka clickbait

I agree, and unclear why you're being downvoted. From the title I thought that Render must be a database company that built a database protocol-compliant with Redis. It took a while of searching around their blog, github, and careers page to understand that isn't what they do.

They are a hosting provider.