The book was not discredited, it faced a backlash, this is effectively a false title.
Anne Frank betrayal book pulled after findings discredited
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Re: Anne Frank betrayal book pulled after findings discredited
#22My grandmother was the last living Jew I knew who personally experienced any part the Holocaust. Her father was smart enough see the writing on the wall, and to throw whatever wealth he had at the problem of getting them out of Belgium shortly before it became impossible to do so. I'm sure there are others still alive, but she was a kid when it happened, so there can't be many. I grew up in a community filled with ol…
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Re: Anne Frank betrayal book pulled after findings discredited
#23The refutation paper (very long fyi) is: https://admin.spui25.nl/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Refutatio... And the program page for the presentation is here: https://spui25.nl/programma/the-betrayal-of-anne-frank-a-ref... News sites need to get over their aversion to linking outside of their own domain.
> News sites need to get over their aversion to linking outside of their own domain
One of my least favorite things in news today is when sites will say, “A new report from _NPR_” - and NPR is just a link to example.com/category/npr, and not the original source
SEO is genuinely one of the worst things to happen to journalism.
Re: Anne Frank betrayal book pulled after findings discredited
#24My grandmother was the last living Jew I knew who personally experienced any part the Holocaust. Her father was smart enough see the writing on the wall, and to throw whatever wealth he had at the problem of getting them out of Belgium shortly before it became impossible to do so. I'm sure there are others still alive, but she was a kid when it happened, so there can't be many. I grew up in a community filled with ol…
I read that Israel did a good job documenting everything that happened. I bet you could do a reverse lookup from that number tattooed on them.
Yad Vashem has been recording testimonies for years and years... https://testimonies.yadvashem.org/index.html?search=&languag...
Re: Anne Frank betrayal book pulled after findings discredited
#25The refutation paper (very long fyi) is: https://admin.spui25.nl/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Refutatio... And the program page for the presentation is here: https://spui25.nl/programma/the-betrayal-of-anne-frank-a-ref... News sites need to get over their aversion to linking outside of their own domain.
Agreed. Or perhaps Google is to blame, for disincentivizing the practice.
Re: Anne Frank betrayal book pulled after findings discredited
#26> The book's investigating team suggested a Jewish man called Arnold van den Bergh was responsible for her and her family's arrests during World War Two.
That seems poorly worded. Assigning the 'responsibility' for her arrest to someone other than the people who made her existence illegal is very harsh indeed.
Re: Anne Frank betrayal book pulled after findings discredited
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's, at best, speculation, and would probably get the authors sued for libel if the person being speculated about wasn't dead. Now, obviously dead people can't (in most jurisdictions) sue for defamation, and that's probably sensible law, but it's fairly distasteful speculation and it's not surprising that the publisher would pull it, particularly after it was debunked.
People have been speculating about who murdered the Princes In The Tower for hundreds of years. Why isn't that considered "distasteful"? What's so wrong with trying to throw new light on old mysteries? Isn't that why there are historians?
> Isn't that why there are historians?
No, historians are not there to speculate, make up stuff and then act overconfident.
Re: Anne Frank betrayal book pulled after findings discredited
#28> But the book, by Canadian author Rosemary Sullivan, prompted a backlash from Jewish groups and historians. The European Jewish Congress urged publisher HarperCollins to pull its English language edition, saying it had tarnished Anne Frank's memory and the dignity of Holocaust survivors. This seems like it is less about concerns about whether the book is true, and more that people did not want the theory to be true.…
Literally paragraph 2:
- Now a new report by a team of World War Two experts and historians has said its research does not stand up to scrutiny.
- The new report into the book contradicted its findings, calling its work "amateurish".
- "There is not any serious evidence for this grave accusation," the experts found.
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no. nothing should be ever free from questioning. else things get distorted or exaggerated over time. It would have been enough imo if the book just had a forward that noted some of it was conjecture based on whatever info they had. No one can truly know as I imagine there was either no documentation or it got destroyed in whatever allied bombing happened. also blaming white people for shirking responsibility is a bi…
> It would have been enough imo if the book just had a forward that noted some of it was conjecture based on whatever info they had.
No, it would not be enough. It would be enough if the text of the book itself expressed a lot of uncertainty around facts that are uncertain. Not just CYA in forward and then writing it all confident and convincing to those who did not went through massive amount of work it takes to verify it all.
Re: Anne Frank betrayal book pulled after findings discredited
#30> The book's investigating team suggested a Jewish man called Arnold van den Bergh was responsible for her and her family's arrests during World War Two. That seems poorly worded. Assigning the 'responsibility' for her arrest to someone other than the people who made her existence illegal is very harsh indeed.
Is it? The claims of this book are disputed, but in general I see no issue with stating that those who collaborated with the Nazi regime are responsible for the consequences.
Those who shared information with the Gestapo about where Jews were hiding were knowing accomplices in genocide.