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Anne Frank betrayal book pulled after findings discredited

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Re: Anne Frank betrayal book pulled after findings discredited

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no. nothing should be ever free from questioning. else things get distorted or exaggerated over time. It would have been enough imo if the book just had a forward that noted some of it was conjecture based on whatever info they had. No one can truly know as I imagine there was either no documentation or it got destroyed in whatever allied bombing happened. also blaming white people for shirking responsibility is a bi…

If: 'no. nothing should be ever free from questioning.'

Than: "It may be 'Sympathic, a pianoplayer appears playing in pantofles' for some, but others may..."

was listening to > hint://youtu.be/GLujhLBZdPg?t=188

P-:

Re: Anne Frank betrayal book pulled after findings discredited

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My grandmother was the last living Jew I knew who personally experienced any part the Holocaust. Her father was smart enough see the writing on the wall, and to throw whatever wealth he had at the problem of getting them out of Belgium shortly before it became impossible to do so. I'm sure there are others still alive, but she was a kid when it happened, so there can't be many. I grew up in a community filled with ol…

I read that Israel did a good job documenting everything that happened. I bet you could do a reverse lookup from that number tattooed on them.

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> But the book, by Canadian author Rosemary Sullivan, prompted a backlash from Jewish groups and historians. The European Jewish Congress urged publisher HarperCollins to pull its English language edition, saying it had tarnished Anne Frank's memory and the dignity of Holocaust survivors. This seems like it is less about concerns about whether the book is true, and more that people did not want the theory to be true.…

It's, at best, speculation, and would probably get the authors sued for libel if the person being speculated about wasn't dead. Now, obviously dead people can't (in most jurisdictions) sue for defamation, and that's probably sensible law, but it's fairly distasteful speculation and it's not surprising that the publisher would pull it, particularly after it was debunked.

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> But the book, by Canadian author Rosemary Sullivan, prompted a backlash from Jewish groups and historians. The European Jewish Congress urged publisher HarperCollins to pull its English language edition, saying it had tarnished Anne Frank's memory and the dignity of Holocaust survivors. This seems like it is less about concerns about whether the book is true, and more that people did not want the theory to be true.…

It's not at all clear to me why an investigation into the identity of the betrayer "tarnished Anne Frank's memory and the dignity of Holocaust survivors". This looks to me like the worst kind of gatekeeping: gentiles aren't allowed to do research on Jewish heroes.

Perhaps the BBC article is just really badly written.

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no. nothing should be ever free from questioning. else things get distorted or exaggerated over time. It would have been enough imo if the book just had a forward that noted some of it was conjecture based on whatever info they had. No one can truly know as I imagine there was either no documentation or it got destroyed in whatever allied bombing happened. also blaming white people for shirking responsibility is a bi…

> nothing should be ever free from questioning

Nothing should be free of questioning, but I don't think a major publisher has much interest in publishing a book whose research has been discredited. That's just basic common sense—just like (most) people don't go around repeating things that they know to be false. Except for things like Santa Claus, I guess.

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> But the book, by Canadian author Rosemary Sullivan, prompted a backlash from Jewish groups and historians. The European Jewish Congress urged publisher HarperCollins to pull its English language edition, saying it had tarnished Anne Frank's memory and the dignity of Holocaust survivors. This seems like it is less about concerns about whether the book is true, and more that people did not want the theory to be true.…

It's, at best, speculation, and would probably get the authors sued for libel if the person being speculated about wasn't dead. Now, obviously dead people can't (in most jurisdictions) sue for defamation, and that's probably sensible law, but it's fairly distasteful speculation and it's not surprising that the publisher would pull it, particularly after it was debunked.

People have been speculating about who murdered the Princes In The Tower for hundreds of years. Why isn't that considered "distasteful"? What's so wrong with trying to throw new light on old mysteries? Isn't that why there are historians?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was sarcasm, right?

It’s way too close to some narratives that are pushed in nominally-liberal but actually quite regressive parts of western societies (how can you pretend to be progressive when you’re arguing that truth is secondary if it makes some people feel bad?) It’s like Nazi edgelords. If your sarcasm is indistinguishable from propaganda, then either you’re very bad at it, or you’re using “free speech” as a cover because you kn…

not agreeing with the parent, but if that is not the main use case of free speech then what is? Stating things others might consider inconvenient, disrespectful or outright unacceptable. Indeed, if one is serious about freedom of speech they will find themselves defending the rights of all kinds of extremists, it is inevitable.

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> But the book, by Canadian author Rosemary Sullivan, prompted a backlash from Jewish groups and historians. The European Jewish Congress urged publisher HarperCollins to pull its English language edition, saying it had tarnished Anne Frank's memory and the dignity of Holocaust survivors. This seems like it is less about concerns about whether the book is true, and more that people did not want the theory to be true.…

> This seems like it is less about concerns about whether the book is true, and more that people did not want the theory to be true. Not entirely. Here's another article: https://nltimes.nl/2022/03/22/historians-contradict-findings...

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The refutation paper (very long fyi) is: https://admin.spui25.nl/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Refutatio...

And the program page for the presentation is here: https://spui25.nl/programma/the-betrayal-of-anne-frank-a-ref...

News sites need to get over their aversion to linking outside of their own domain.

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