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Re: The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads

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Post by twomoonsbysurf »

survirtual wrote: post #27
twomoonsbysurf wrote: post #4

I don't recommend it. It is incredibly intense-- even traumatic. And there is no precise "dosing". Stay away from all drugs. Drugs do not lead to enlightenment. They do not lead to some hidden knowledge. They throw your neuro-chemicals out of balance-- potentially forever if you're misfortunate. Hallucinogens can affect you forever, negatievely, and never stop-- and there is no cure if they do, for example: "Hallucin…

Have you ever hit rock bottom? Have you ever not wanted to exist anymore? I have, and it was terminal. Do you know what saved me? DMT. DMT saves my life. And every time I wanted it to end and I chose a pipe before going through with it, I was saved again. DMT taught me many things, but most of all it taught me how to love myself and how to love life. Mushrooms reinforced those lessons. It took me from poverty to usin…

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Re: The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads

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Post by pmoriarty »

Crontab wrote: post #37

Even though I have never used drugs, psychedelics are the one thing I have wanted to try, particularly LSD. Sadly, it seems that it is not legal anywhere I can find.

There have been multiple studies showing that on powerful enough doses even very experienced users can't tell the difference between the various classic psychedelics.

That's not a definite conclusion, but it seems reason enough not to necessarily hanker over one specific psychedelic if you've never done any of them. You'll probably have a profound enough experience on any classic psychedelic.

By the way, cannabis can be psychedelic in high enough doses (especially when eaten), so that might be a way to go for you, considering it's legal in so many places.. and it's generally a lot safer to get cannabis on the above-ground market than some mystery substance on the black market.

Depending on where you go, other psychedelics could also be legal. Dig deep and ye shall probably find. Just do some thorough research on what you're getting into, particularly on testing substances to make sure you're getting what you think you're getting, and on how to do them safely.

Re: The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads

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Post by qq66 »

burner556 wrote: post #38
Crontab wrote: post #37

Even though I have never used drugs, psychedelics are the one thing I have wanted to try, particularly LSD. Sadly, it seems that it is not legal anywhere I can find.

Just break the law. Are you seriously going to let the government tell you what you can and cannot put into your body?

How can you get a known safe drug if it's illegal? If I buy a box of processed food at Walmart I can be pretty damn sure that it is what it says it is. Not so for illicit drugs.

Re: The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads

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Post by [deleted] »

qq66 wrote: post #43
burner556 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just break the law. Are you seriously going to let the government tell you what you can and cannot put into your body?

How can you get a known safe drug if it's illegal? If I buy a box of processed food at Walmart I can be pretty damn sure that it is what it says it is. Not so for illicit drugs.

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Re: The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads

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Post by standardUser »

qq66 wrote: post #43
burner556 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just break the law. Are you seriously going to let the government tell you what you can and cannot put into your body?

How can you get a known safe drug if it's illegal? If I buy a box of processed food at Walmart I can be pretty damn sure that it is what it says it is. Not so for illicit drugs.

LSD is unique in that the normal dosage is about the size of a quarter of a postage stamp, or a single drop of liquid. There aren't many contaminates on that scale that can cause harm.

But more generally speaking, a person has to gauge the safety of a drug they buy on their knowledge of the source. Ideally, it's via someone who has purchased from that source before and can vouch for the drugs.

Re: The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads

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Post by Maursault »

standardUser wrote: post #45
qq66 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you get a known safe drug if it's illegal? If I buy a box of processed food at Walmart I can be pretty damn sure that it is what it says it is. Not so for illicit drugs.

LSD is unique in that the normal dosage is about the size of a quarter of a postage stamp, or a single drop of liquid. There aren't many contaminates on that scale that can cause harm. But more generally speaking, a person has to gauge the safety of a drug they buy on their knowledge of the source. Ideally, it's via someone who has purchased from that source before and can vouch for the drugs.

> LSD is unique in that the normal dosage is about the size of a quarter of a postage stamp, or a single drop of liquid.

Both these descriptions of dose are meaningless. A typical dose of LSD is anywhere between 50 and 300 micrograms. But with such a minuscule amount being so potent it is deceptive when considering what a lethal overdose of LSD is. I've heard it said you'd have to literally drown in LSD for it to kill you. I expect the actual lethal dose is an estimation, because even 500x the normal dose is apparently not lethal.

Re: The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads

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Post by kamranjon »

survirtual wrote: post #27
twomoonsbysurf wrote: post #4

I don't recommend it. It is incredibly intense-- even traumatic. And there is no precise "dosing". Stay away from all drugs. Drugs do not lead to enlightenment. They do not lead to some hidden knowledge. They throw your neuro-chemicals out of balance-- potentially forever if you're misfortunate. Hallucinogens can affect you forever, negatievely, and never stop-- and there is no cure if they do, for example: "Hallucin…

Have you ever hit rock bottom? Have you ever not wanted to exist anymore? I have, and it was terminal. Do you know what saved me? DMT. DMT saves my life. And every time I wanted it to end and I chose a pipe before going through with it, I was saved again. DMT taught me many things, but most of all it taught me how to love myself and how to love life. Mushrooms reinforced those lessons. It took me from poverty to usin…

Hey there, just wanted to chime in as someone who has both used psychedelics (have used all of those being discussed here) to facilitate long lasting change in my life and who also strongly agrees with the idea that there is no real enlightenment to be found by using drugs.

There was a good quote from Alan Watts regarding this that I’ve carried with me for years: “When you get the answer, hang up the phone.” - which for me is to say that if you think your work is going to be magically over after using psychedelics, it’s not, that’s just the beginning, take what you’ve learned on move on to something more instead of chasing your tail for years attempting to achieve some elusive plateau of being by phoning it in.

Re: The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads

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Post by sk5t »

kamranjon wrote: post #48
survirtual wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever hit rock bottom? Have you ever not wanted to exist anymore? I have, and it was terminal. Do you know what saved me? DMT. DMT saves my life. And every time I wanted it to end and I chose a pipe before going through with it, I was saved again. DMT taught me many things, but most of all it taught me how to love myself and how to love life. Mushrooms reinforced those lessons. It took me from poverty to usin…

Hey there, just wanted to chime in as someone who has both used psychedelics (have used all of those being discussed here) to facilitate long lasting change in my life and who also strongly agrees with the idea that there is no real enlightenment to be found by using drugs. There was a good quote from Alan Watts regarding this that I’ve carried with me for years: “When you get the answer, hang up the phone.” - which…

> “When you get the answer, hang up the phone.”

To put it another way, a trip by helicopter over a mountain's summit isn't the same as climbing the mountain, but it might open one's eyes to the goal.

Re: The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads

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Post by pmoriarty »

standardUser wrote: post #45
qq66 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you get a known safe drug if it's illegal? If I buy a box of processed food at Walmart I can be pretty damn sure that it is what it says it is. Not so for illicit drugs.

LSD is unique in that the normal dosage is about the size of a quarter of a postage stamp, or a single drop of liquid. There aren't many contaminates on that scale that can cause harm. But more generally speaking, a person has to gauge the safety of a drug they buy on their knowledge of the source. Ideally, it's via someone who has purchased from that source before and can vouch for the drugs.

It used to be the case that no lethal drugs were potent enough to be active in the tiny dosages that LSD was distributed in... so you could feel pretty safe in taking it.

Unfortunately, that has not been the case, as there are now very potent and potentially lethal drugs like Bromo-DragonFLY[1] that are active in similar dosages to LSD.

So you really need to test what you get.

[1] - https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Bromo-DragonFLY

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