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A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by simion314 »

HKH2 wrote: post #17
simion314 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GTFO, there is tons of Russian propaganda on FB, including fake shit but some Russian trolls get upset when social media and moderators remove provable false things.

Are you sure you're responding to the right comment? The OP was referring to Facebook allowing calls for violence against Russians. (Is that fake news?) Is your argument that Facebook doing that played no part in Russia's decision?

He was upset that FB has content only in one direction, anti-Russia. I said this is not true and I am expecting a lot of ani-Russia, anti-Putin content to exist on FB, but don't pretend that this is only one sided.

Anyway , weird Putin coward and did not unplug the Internet yet, they were testing this in the past so I am wondering why still keep it, young Russian have access to the truth and this is a big danger for the war-criminal

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by freedomben »

HKH2 wrote: post #17
simion314 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GTFO, there is tons of Russian propaganda on FB, including fake shit but some Russian trolls get upset when social media and moderators remove provable false things.

Are you sure you're responding to the right comment? The OP was referring to Facebook allowing calls for violence against Russians. (Is that fake news?) Is your argument that Facebook doing that played no part in Russia's decision?

OP's argument is legit: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/11/facebook-...

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by freedomben »

simion314 wrote: post #21
HKH2 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure you're responding to the right comment? The OP was referring to Facebook allowing calls for violence against Russians. (Is that fake news?) Is your argument that Facebook doing that played no part in Russia's decision?

He was upset that FB has content only in one direction, anti-Russia. I said this is not true and I am expecting a lot of ani-Russia, anti-Putin content to exist on FB, but don't pretend that this is only one sided. Anyway , weird Putin coward and did not unplug the Internet yet, they were testing this in the past so I am wondering why still keep it, young Russian have access to the truth and this is a big danger for…

> He was upset that FB has content only in one direction, anti-Russia.

Where did you get that? The entirety of the post I saw was:

> Facebook allowing targeted calls for violence to one side of a conflict only had a lot to do with this decision.

Can you point to the part where they get upset, or otherwise makes a value judgment at all?

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by timonoko »

timonoko wrote: post #11

Interesting part of "Moscow Court" is that when Finland invited indigenous Finns (eg Ingrians) to move to Finland in 1990, we suddenly had enormous amount of "lawyers" (of Soviet law) moving in and attaining Finnish citizenship. Too late it was discovered that you can declare any ethnicity at any time in Soviet Union.

The point is that these "Lawyers of Soviets Law" have been unemployed for 30 years enjoying 1000 euro unemployed benefits. They need to be listed ASAP and deported.

And Finland is joining NATO.

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by jonathanstrange »

Gupie wrote: post #14
jonathanstrange wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing, obviously. Their disinformation campaigns of the past 15 years have failed and the priorities have shifted towards terrorizing and misinforming their own citizens.

Apart from Trump and Brexit.

I guess you're right, plus a number of far-right phenomena in the EU that were also partly caused and sponsored by Russian campaigns such as the AfD, Pegida, Front National, Lega Nord, etc. I should have said "are failing now."

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by HKH2 »

simion314 wrote: post #21
HKH2 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure you're responding to the right comment? The OP was referring to Facebook allowing calls for violence against Russians. (Is that fake news?) Is your argument that Facebook doing that played no part in Russia's decision?

He was upset that FB has content only in one direction, anti-Russia. I said this is not true and I am expecting a lot of ani-Russia, anti-Putin content to exist on FB, but don't pretend that this is only one sided. Anyway , weird Putin coward and did not unplug the Internet yet, they were testing this in the past so I am wondering why still keep it, young Russian have access to the truth and this is a big danger for…

> He was upset that FB has content only in one direction, anti-Russia.

What makes you think the OP is upset? It seems like a neutral argument to me. Did the OP edit their post?

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by happytoexplain »

imwillofficial wrote: post #2

Facebook allowing targeted calls for violence to one side of a conflict only had a lot to do with this decision.

Unfortunately, regardless of any philosophy on morality, it is simply unrealistic to expect the citizens of a nation being invaded - a word applicable here without even the merest qualification - to not call for the violent repulsion of the invader, loudly and in great numbers, regardless of how "good" or "bad" the invader's justification is.

Edit: To reconnect my point to the topic - the weight of millions of simultaneous lamentations under such a real, physical attack is simply heavier than the weight of a content policy of a media designed for people to talk to each other. It would be difficult, both morally and practically, to not make an exception in this case. Content policies can not be immutable, and should not be.

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by freedomben »

NationalPark wrote: post #19
freedomben wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did that quote come from? I know that FB took some flack for their rule change and issued a second statement on it that walked things back a bit. Is your quote from that?

From the article you linked in your comment

Ah yes, that was from the email that they sent to moderators, not part of the (original) public statement (unless I'm misreading).

But yes thank you, that's good to point out

Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations

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Post by vmception »

MAGZine wrote: post #4

Something tickles me about how the country with reputation for disinformation was so quick to ban Facebook and Instagram. What do they know?

Municipal court cases are never news. A municipal court for a district in Russia is just clickbait.
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