Interesting part of "Moscow Court" is that when Finland invited indigenous Finns (eg Ingrians) to move to Finland in 1990, we suddenly had enormous amount of "lawyers" (of Soviet law) moving in and attaining Finnish citizenship. Too late it was discovered that you can declare any ethnicity at any time in Soviet Union.
A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
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Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
#12Facebook allowing targeted calls for violence to one side of a conflict only had a lot to do with this decision.
It's not like anyone feels bad for this decision
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#13Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that.
The Moscow Court:
> A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine.
And that is at least somewhat true by Facebook's own rule[1]:
> “As a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine we have temporarily made allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules, like violent speech such as ‘death to the Russian invaders’. We still won’t allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians,” [2]
Now that said, Russian authorities were already looking for excuses to ban (and I believe already had effectively banned FB), so it didn't really matter. But, FB played into their hands by giving them a (somewhat) legitimate reason.
Note: I'm not making a value judgment here, just stating facts.
[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/11/facebook-...
[2]: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-facebook-inst...
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#14Something tickles me about how the country with reputation for disinformation was so quick to ban Facebook and Instagram. What do they know?
Nothing, obviously. Their disinformation campaigns of the past 15 years have failed and the priorities have shifted towards terrorizing and misinforming their own citizens.
Apart from Trump and Brexit.
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#15Interesting part of "Moscow Court" is that when Finland invited indigenous Finns (eg Ingrians) to move to Finland in 1990, we suddenly had enormous amount of "lawyers" (of Soviet law) moving in and attaining Finnish citizenship. Too late it was discovered that you can declare any ethnicity at any time in Soviet Union.
> you can declare any ethnicity at any time in Soviet Union.
If you mean the official ethnicity that Soviet people had in their internal passports, this is strictly false. The (in)famous Fifth Field has always been filled based on the parents' ethnicities. If both of one's parents were of one ethnicity (e.g. both are Tatars) then the child receives that ethnicity in their passport. If the parents belonged to two different ethnicities (e.g. a Russian mother and a Tatar father), the child was free to choose one of these two when receiving their first passport at the age of 16.
See [1] (in Russian).
[1]: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%8F...
Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
#16Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…
The reality is a lot narrower than you're implying, however:
“We are issuing a spirit-of-the-policy allowance to allow T1 violent speech that would otherwise be removed under the hate speech policy when: (a) targeting Russian soldiers, except prisoners of war, or (b) targeting Russians where it’s clear that the context is the Russian invasion of Ukraine (eg content mentions the invasion, self-defense, etc),”
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Meta spokesman Joe Osborne previously said the company was “for the time being, making a narrow exception for praise of the Azov regiment strictly in the context of defending Ukraine, or in their role as part of the Ukraine National Guard”.
Specifically the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group) is an overstatement that is not factual, because it implies that violent speech toward Russians is generally tolerated on Facebook.
Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
#17Facebook allowing targeted calls for violence to one side of a conflict only had a lot to do with this decision.
GTFO, there is tons of Russian propaganda on FB, including fake shit but some Russian trolls get upset when social media and moderators remove provable false things.
Are you sure you're responding to the right comment?
The OP was referring to Facebook allowing calls for violence against Russians. (Is that fake news?)
Is your argument that Facebook doing that played no part in Russia's decision?
Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
#18Before we all pile on Russia, if you aren't aware of the rule change that FB made to allow violent statements against Russians (but not against any other group), you should learn about that. The Moscow Court: > A Moscow court on Monday banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations, after authorities accused U.S. tech giant Meta of tolerating "Russophobia" during the conflict in Ukraine. And that is at le…
The reality is a lot narrower than you're implying, however: “We are issuing a spirit-of-the-policy allowance to allow T1 violent speech that would otherwise be removed under the hate speech policy when: (a) targeting Russian soldiers, except prisoners of war, or (b) targeting Russians where it’s clear that the context is the Russian invasion of Ukraine (eg content mentions the invasion, self-defense, etc),” ... Meta…
Where did that quote come from? I know that FB took some flack for their rule change and issued a second statement on it that walked things back a bit. Is your quote from that?
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
The reality is a lot narrower than you're implying, however: “We are issuing a spirit-of-the-policy allowance to allow T1 violent speech that would otherwise be removed under the hate speech policy when: (a) targeting Russian soldiers, except prisoners of war, or (b) targeting Russians where it’s clear that the context is the Russian invasion of Ukraine (eg content mentions the invasion, self-defense, etc),” ... Meta…
Where did that quote come from? I know that FB took some flack for their rule change and issued a second statement on it that walked things back a bit. Is your quote from that?
From the article you linked in your comment
Re: A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as “extremist” organizations
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
The reality is a lot narrower than you're implying, however: “We are issuing a spirit-of-the-policy allowance to allow T1 violent speech that would otherwise be removed under the hate speech policy when: (a) targeting Russian soldiers, except prisoners of war, or (b) targeting Russians where it’s clear that the context is the Russian invasion of Ukraine (eg content mentions the invasion, self-defense, etc),” ... Meta…
Where did that quote come from? I know that FB took some flack for their rule change and issued a second statement on it that walked things back a bit. Is your quote from that?
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