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Windows needs a change in priorities

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Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Unlike Meta/Alphabet, Microsoft actually has something that’s not shameful

That is a pretty low bar to have in tech. A few years ago spying on your users was seen as a grave sin. This was changed by large tech corporations that groomed their developers respectively so that they can justify it to themselves. So being the least bad tech company isn't too convincing.

Who thinks spying on users is fine nowadays?

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Like every Windows user, I have had a lot of frustrating experiences with the abusive behavior and dark patterns that have taken over the platform. Like when they started having Skype silently run in the background logged in with the user's Microsoft account without any notice or human intervention, and removed the setting to disable it from launching at startup so that it couldn't be prevented. I had to completely u…

From my POV it has come to a time where the tradeoffs you make switching to Linux (xubuntu in my case) are worth it.

A few days ago I had to do some helpdesk for a friend with windows 10. We suspected that one of his three drives failed, and windows just refused to start up, so I wanted to jump into recovery/safe mode and take a look.

But for doing so you need to go through a ridiculous lenght rebooting the PC multiple times and go through a bunch of sub menus. I tried but it didn't work, so we unplugged the hd we suspected it was failing and used my linux laptop with an external hd case to diagnose it.

I have a w10 corporate version in a pc, and it works kid of fine. I had to install windows 10 home to a laptop recebtly and everything feels like an abuse.

If I have to fight with a system more than I fight with linux, with it's drivers issues and the problems that I can't fix without googling as I'm not intimate with the SO, what's the point?

Its just too much effort.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Talking about dark patterns, here are a couple I've noticed. In Windows, I'm very careful about NOT signing in to anything Microsoft, unless I have to. I make sure I use a local administrator account instead of a Microsoft account. Yesterday I had to open Microsoft Edge for something that would only work in Edge, and lo-and-behold, Microsoft had taken my Xbox Game Pass sign-in and applied to Edge, then informed me th…

I do not mind logging into a Microsoft account however the most bizarre situation happened to me very recently. I will occasionally log into my personal Microsoft account when accessing a Microsoft website when I am on Lunch to work on some personal projects. At work last week, I was upgraded to Office 365 and as a result I started downloading the latest versions and trying it out in various ways. One of these was up…

Wow that is CREEPY AF and very very scary. This is an instant reason to never use Windows because I'd be so scared that I'd leak personal/private data to other people's computers. The really fucking scary thing is that even we both as power users who understand computers, the internet and how things work are even extremely vulnerable to those hostile dark patterns in Windows that less tech savvy family members would be absolute prey to those Microsoft hyenas. There is NO WAY that anyone in my family will ever use a Windows or Microsoft device. It will be iPhones and Macs for them for the rest of their lives.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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I find it hilarious that people even entertain the idea that the only roadblock for MacOS is that it only works on Apple hardware. Gamers would NOT want an OS run by those psychopaths. MacOS is junk. And Valve/Steamdeck is really just creating even more Windows dependence. Because of Proton everyone just assumes you don't need to make cross platform games anymore, so game devs are just happy making Windows only games…

steam could instantly reduce the weight by insisting that all games must run on linux by policy

They would kill their platform by this, and we would end up with even more launchers than we have today

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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There's a lot of software not on Linux or that doesn't run well on Linux. People pick their OS based on what software they want to run, not the other way around. And they pick from what they can buy. Go into a BestBuy and you can choose between Windows machines, Apple machines, and a few Chromebooks. If you did manage to buy a Linux machine somewhere, you are going to be disappointed when you go back into that BestBu…

People pick everything based on marketing.

Maybe until they get burned.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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I play the latest games on my high-end GPU I sold a kidney for, watch 4K movies, use a Sony DS4 gamepad via Bluetooth, with two 4K monitors at 200% scaling and an external USB audio interface with standalone microphone and automated compression, equalization and noise cancellation setup. You were saying?

Somehow 7.1 HDMI audio from a home theater receiver is more exotic than external USB audio.

Didn't hear anything about a variable refresh monitor.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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> "I don't have a variable refresh monitor, I don't have an HDMI surround sound setup, I don't own any game pads, the only game I play is Doom 1 from 1993." It really depends on what your GPU manufacturer is. You can't blame Linux for the shit show that nvidia releases as drivers nowadays. Game pads works fine. You are being disingenuous. Issues on Linux exists. But, ironically, in 2022, simple things like sound, blu…

I genuinely don't think game pads work fine even on Windows. The XInput thing really screwed it all up.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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There's been a big shift in the whole software industry from "enable what the user wants to do" over to "we want the user to do this". Back in the '90s, we would go out, talk to customers, find out their needs, gather requirements, and write software that enables them to do what they want to do. Now, in a lot of software companies, it's the opposite. Product leadership starts with "What do we want users to do?" and t…

The skype thing kinda makes sense. People want software which just works without configuration. When you sign in to an iphone or macbook, it immediately sets up facetime which is always active waiting for a call in the background. No one complains because this is expected and it has always happened. But then Microsoft wants to give their users the same conveniance as Apple users get with their "just works" setup and…

It's not the same though.

If I buy an iPhone then it is so that people can call me on it. The Mac makes it easy that I can also receive a call on my Mac if I am working on it. It's an additional convenience feature. It's not like the Mac is forcing me to do this. The call would still happen on my phone, I'd just have a much harder time to respond to it if I didn't get the smooth integration on my Mac whilst working on it. If I didn't have an iPhone then I also wouldn't get random calls on my Mac. Besides, if I don't want this feature to work then it is very easy to disable it form a very self explaining settings app and that setting will persist during updates.

It literally couldn't be more different to how Windows operates.

Also, perhaps Apple makes things enjoyable in how they work, which is maybe why less users have a desire to disable these handy features. It certainly feels more straight forward, down to the point, no dark patterns and very obvious as a macOS user. I can't say the same about Windows.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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OS X has been great for the past decade. I won't say the same for MacBooks, where there have been some pretty horrible decisions (butterfly keyboard, touch bar), but OS X has kept humming along, very usable, very productive. A few issues with Spotlight and some easily removed nags to use crap like iCloud is the worst I can say.

Except the constant ui changes with no reason other than change, with no option to switch them back. Or the ever more locked down environment, or the iOS style dumbed down apps they prefer now.. I think it was pretty much downhill after leopard :(

Last year I went through every version of macOS from 10.1 to the current release and used each for a couple of weeks. The thing that surprised me the most is just how consistent the user interface has been. Anybody familiar with 10.1 would have no problem using Monterey.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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I see this argument in every thread about Linux. There's always this one magical user where everything "just works", has had 0 issues and everything's just dandy.

What are some specific issues? Most of the stuff I hear is either hardware related or some software someone used on Windows doesn't exist on Linux. For hardware issues it depends on the hardware you're using. Since most drivers aren't open source, full Linux support often comes a while after it's released. I don't use the most recent hardware and haven't had a problem where something doesn't "just work" in years. I d…

Last time I tried updating Ubuntu on my parents' PC, it completely fell over because it tried to throw up a dialog on a console in the middle of the update, even though I was doing a GUI update. When I killed that (uninteractible, permanently froze the update) process, the system autorebooted in a desktopless state. Now, I knew to use `dpkg --reconfigure` from a root shell to fix this, but a layman would have been stumped and had to reinstall. 2021 at least was not the year of the Linux desktop in our household.

(Let alone the dozen of small KDE issues we've had over the years. It's really easy to get that desktop in an uninteractible state if you click the wrong things.)

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