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Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by criddell »

rthomas6 wrote: post #101
Silhouette wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody at Microsoft who has decision-making authority actually cares. Acknowledging this is the first step. The second is figuring out what would make them care or how to remove them so someone who does care can take over. That's a much harder thing to do. Realistically Microsoft is in a similar position to the likes of Google and Facebook. They have such an entrenched monopoly, bought through years of ignored warnin…

What is wrong with Linux nowadays? I've used it as my main driver for long enough that I can't see the big problems that are preventing everyone from switching. Like, it seems easier than even WSL to me. Beginner friendly distos seem to have solved the package management problem, and there are adequate desktop environments, office suites, browsers, gaming, and everything else. If a person has good hardware compatibil…

There's a lot of software not on Linux or that doesn't run well on Linux.

People pick their OS based on what software they want to run, not the other way around. And they pick from what they can buy. Go into a BestBuy and you can choose between Windows machines, Apple machines, and a few Chromebooks.

If you did manage to buy a Linux machine somewhere, you are going to be disappointed when you go back into that BestBuy to get a printer or webcam or some other accessory and the box says "compatible with macOS and Windows".

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by jart »

rbut wrote: post #56

Talking about dark patterns, here are a couple I've noticed. In Windows, I'm very careful about NOT signing in to anything Microsoft, unless I have to. I make sure I use a local administrator account instead of a Microsoft account. Yesterday I had to open Microsoft Edge for something that would only work in Edge, and lo-and-behold, Microsoft had taken my Xbox Game Pass sign-in and applied to Edge, then informed me th…

That whole thing with Edge has got to be the biggest information heist in the history of the software industry. Everyone on Windows basically woke up one morning and Microsoft was like, greetings, we've backed up your hard drive to our cloud. Always do your work in a terminal folks!

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by fartcannon »

McAtNite wrote: post #86
_Algernon_ wrote: post #66

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Looks like switching to linux when win 7 support ended was the right move. All my games may randomly freeze for no discernible reason, but at least I don't have to deal with that BS.

I’m desperately wishing for Valve to have success with the Deck so that Linux gets better attention from game devs. The last Windows machine in my environment is exclusively for PC games, and I honestly can’t wait to install Linux over it.

Just start now. Think of unsupported games as you think of games for Nintendo and Sony machines. Your financial support of gaming on Linux will encourage developers to support it. Waiting just keeps the status quo.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by stuartd »

rthomas6 wrote: post #101
Silhouette wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody at Microsoft who has decision-making authority actually cares. Acknowledging this is the first step. The second is figuring out what would make them care or how to remove them so someone who does care can take over. That's a much harder thing to do. Realistically Microsoft is in a similar position to the likes of Google and Facebook. They have such an entrenched monopoly, bought through years of ignored warnin…

What is wrong with Linux nowadays? I've used it as my main driver for long enough that I can't see the big problems that are preventing everyone from switching. Like, it seems easier than even WSL to me. Beginner friendly distos seem to have solved the package management problem, and there are adequate desktop environments, office suites, browsers, gaming, and everything else. If a person has good hardware compatibil…

Loss of familiarity - “where’s my cheese gone?!” - seems likely

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by robertwt7 »

anon1900 wrote: post #28

As an engineer working at Microsoft in Windows, I 100% agree...it's just as frustrating seeing these from inside as well (edit: from throwaway as a protective measure)

just wondering 1 thing.. is there anyone in microsoft that looks at the feedback hub or forum at least? They never seem to listen to ANY feedback..

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by Skunkleton »

foerbert wrote: post #88
_Algernon_ wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like switching to linux when win 7 support ended was the right move. All my games may randomly freeze for no discernible reason, but at least I don't have to deal with that BS.

Really? I made the same move (or at least finished it 100%) at the same time, and that's not a problem I've ever seen. Some (surprisingly few, actually) don't perform well under Wine/Proton, or at all, but random freezing I've never seen. And certainly not all of my games.

Seems like luck of the draw. I’ve had the same random freezing issues

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by kingcharles »

elorant wrote: post #55
MarkSweep wrote: post #35

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It’s not quite Windows 2000, but the LTSC edition has much of the bullshit stripped out. It does not support the store therefore Candy Crush is not installed by default. And I don’t think it’s quite $1000, if you can figure out how to buy it.

It's available in volume licensing, with a 5 license as minimal order.

Can also get it free with a Visual Studio subscription, that's where I got mine.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

userbinator wrote: post #79
lordnacho wrote: post #38

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I wish this was true, but there are a heck of a lot of office workers who have grown up with Windows and can never be trained to use anything else. You'll get a lot of resistance and rationalisation about why they don't think Linux or BSD or whatever isn't as good, and that the training time is better used to just work.

who have grown up with Windows and can never be trained to use anything else. When Windows itself is changing so much that it hardly resembles what it used to be, there's going to be a lot of relearning anyway. On the other hand, you can make Linux look like any version of Windows if you really wanted to.

It's not about cosmetic similarities.

Linux would kill it if it made it trivially easy to run Windows inside a sanitised and privatised container or VM that prevented telemetry and all the other nonsense.

I suspect a lot of people would accept a modest performance hit if that were possible.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by tcmart14 »

lucasyvas wrote: post #29

These problems tend to work themselves out naturally - when you purposefully damage your user experience, you lose the early tech adopters that originally drove your product growth. They instead flock to a competitor that leaves you holding your bag of a shitty product. There are a few companies flirting with this dangerous line right now and it opens them up completely for disruption, which is the opposite of what t…

I don't think pleasing tech adopters is what help windows at this point. Maybe 20 year ago, sure. Today, most consumers of Windows that are not business/enterprise, are probably doing it more so because that was the defacto OS for them when they were in grade school, and it has been the defacto OS on most computers sub $1K. We are seeing some market shift to chrome OS and there is probably a good future where Chrome OS displaces Windows massively. If it does, it won't be because of tech adopters and such. It will be because Chrome OS is what is gaining popularity for kids in school and they will grow up being used to.

Edit: Defacto above meaning, when I go into best buy, that is what is pre-loaded. Or I go to walmart, that is what comes on the computer.

Edit: 'there is probably a good future where Chrome OS' typo or poor wording. Meant to say something along the lines of, 'there is probably a good chance that a Chrome OS future happens'

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by R0b0t1 »

elorant wrote: post #55
MarkSweep wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not quite Windows 2000, but the LTSC edition has much of the bullshit stripped out. It does not support the store therefore Candy Crush is not installed by default. And I don’t think it’s quite $1000, if you can figure out how to buy it.

It's available in volume licensing, with a 5 license as minimal order.

But IIRC you need an active directory domain, so a server license to run this all off of.
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