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Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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smackeyacky wrote: post #304
GekkePrutser wrote: post #302

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Gnome has very excessive window borders though. They're so big they seem to be sized for touch, very wasteful when you don't have a touchscreen. And it has even less configurability than Windows.. Add-ons don't count because they often break.

I don't mind the big borders, although most of the time I'm using dual 2k screens. The borders don't seem that much bigger than the ones in Windows 10. As for the extensions, I've been enabling those via extensions.gnome.org and have no problems so far on Buster or Bullseye. This is the one that makes Gnome useable for me: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/

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Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by zo1 »

rthomas6 wrote: post #101
Silhouette wrote: post #42

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Nobody at Microsoft who has decision-making authority actually cares. Acknowledging this is the first step. The second is figuring out what would make them care or how to remove them so someone who does care can take over. That's a much harder thing to do. Realistically Microsoft is in a similar position to the likes of Google and Facebook. They have such an entrenched monopoly, bought through years of ignored warnin…

What is wrong with Linux nowadays? I've used it as my main driver for long enough that I can't see the big problems that are preventing everyone from switching. Like, it seems easier than even WSL to me. Beginner friendly distos seem to have solved the package management problem, and there are adequate desktop environments, office suites, browsers, gaming, and everything else. If a person has good hardware compatibil…

Installation is utterly broken and hopeless on Linux. Let's not pretend like it's in any way ready for the general consumer. Including Ubuntu, the "flagship" poster boy for widescale adoption of Linux.

We're more likely to see people going back to dumb-terminals with GUIs being streamed to their ChromeOS from a server running linux than we are to see people using Linux.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by aenis »

knighthack wrote: post #360
NeutronStar wrote: post #272

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I don't even use a desktop environment. Gonna be using a window manager for ever. Most of everything is run on the command line anyway.

How do you browse the Internet then?

Lynx? Lynx still works for a lot of sites I frequent.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by spiderfarmer »

bigbluedots wrote: post #453

There is no reason for ms to care about any of these issues while users keep paying for Windows, either through new PC builds or directly. It doesn't help that in many cases there is no viable alternative for users.

It put me off Windows years ago. Though it was the constant battle with alert boxes, popups and other windows that stole focus that put me over the edge. If my computer doesn't let me type text undisturbed, why do even use that tool?

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Post by emptysongglass »

pjmlp wrote: post #445
emptysongglass wrote: post #435

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Yes but it's an extremely old example and not at all indicative of the environment around owning a Linux-shipped laptop today. Have you owned and used an XPS 13 Developer Edition? Because now it just looks like you're driving around the internet for examples of things that prop up your argument. I have one I use every day and have for the three years I've owned it. It works great on Ubuntu and Arch Linux. No complain…

Not at all, showing that it isn't the walk in the part that gets sold even when buying hardware that is shipping with Linux in the box, and far from what most people get at best buy and friends with other desktop OSes. It is always the other people's fault that Linux doesn't quite work, but "my system works just perfectly", when in reality keeps being the same hit and miss as always.

No, it's not your fault and that's not what I'm saying. I also think people often fall victim to selective amnesia for what doesn't work well on their Windows or macOS machines. Off-hand I can recount an Xbox app that will fully freeze my system often enough to be annoying and a macOS work machine that would completely freeze when waking up from deep sleep while docked to my monitor.

What I am saying is that most people looking to make comparisons should start by comparing Linux-shipped machines for a baseline standard. I've just told you that everything on my XPS 13 Developer Edition shipped fully working, without any user intervention. Am I the lier and your Medium article the true arbiter? That's up to you to decide. But maybe go out there and give one a shot yourself that isn't ancient, like a Framework (Framework is Linux-supported but not shipped; other alternatives include the Star Labs' line, System76, and Tuxedo) and tell me your experience. You can always install Windows after.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by raxxorrax »

segphault wrote: post #22

Like every Windows user, I have had a lot of frustrating experiences with the abusive behavior and dark patterns that have taken over the platform. Like when they started having Skype silently run in the background logged in with the user's Microsoft account without any notice or human intervention, and removed the setting to disable it from launching at startup so that it couldn't be prevented. I had to completely u…

I think any developer that could long moved from their ecosystems by now. You can see that if you try to get technical knowledge.

I can imagine that there are many departments that have to continually justify their existence and management tries to find the one-hit wonder that gets users engaged. All these departments try to have their dejure product integrated into Windows to have a chance to pump up their KPI.

You should be able to tell an operating system that it is not allowed to phone home. That is not possible in Windows, on the contrary, they have increased their spying dramatically. It has been a adversarial relationship for a long time by now and I don't see any attempts to change course or anyone that really cares for the platform. Their corporate integration and PC gaming keeps Windows relevant for now, but people will look elsewhere.

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Post by hulitu »

knighthack wrote: post #360
NeutronStar wrote: post #272

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I don't even use a desktop environment. Gonna be using a window manager for ever. Most of everything is run on the command line anyway.

How do you browse the Internet then?

Seamonkey, Firefox, etc. You do not need a desktop environment to run a webbrowser.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by Joeri »

neltnerb wrote: post #199
khaledh wrote: post #24

This article nails a lot of the issues with Windows 11. I bit the bullet and upgraded to Windows 11 late last year thinking it must be an improvement over Windows 10. It turned out to be a big step backwards. - Changing the default browser is a lot of work instead of a single click. - I can't move the task bar to the side, even though almost every monitor nowadays has much more horizontal space than vertical. - All a…

It seems to frequently be true that Microsoft releases a horrifying nightmare OS, polishes is up and removes hated features, and then releases a new version. It's been a bit of a pattern. Windows 8 -> Windows 10 Windows Vista -> Windows 7 and even before that: Windows Me -> Windows 2000 -> Windows XP was a pretty solid chain that shows it over three releases (personally I think XP was buggier, I don't know what the i…

Microsoft has a tick tock approach to consumer OS releases, where every other OS is “the good one”.

Windows me - bad

Windows xp - good

Windows vista - bad

Windows 7 - good

Windows 8 - bad

Windows 10 - good

Windows 11 - bad

For a bad release windows 11 is pretty good. This gives me hope that windows 12 will be their best ever.

This is why it would have been smart of them to stick to windows 10 like they planned, but like picking at a scab they just couldn’t let go of the idea of rearranging the deck chairs and rechristening the ship as windows 11.

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