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Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by pjerem »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #128
foerbert wrote: post #88

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Really? I made the same move (or at least finished it 100%) at the same time, and that's not a problem I've ever seen. Some (surprisingly few, actually) don't perform well under Wine/Proton, or at all, but random freezing I've never seen. And certainly not all of my games.

It's all games, both proton and native, on a specific computer. The issue didn't occur for a long time when I first installed, so I'm pretty sure its a software/config problem which a reinstall would fix. I just haven't gotten around to it. Probably a nvidia driver problem tbh ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2lhwb_OckQ )

Really looks like damaged RAM. You should run a memtest.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by anon1900 »

WithinReason wrote: post #74
anon1900 wrote: post #28

As an engineer working at Microsoft in Windows, I 100% agree...it's just as frustrating seeing these from inside as well (edit: from throwaway as a protective measure)

Is it getting raised at meetings?

Personally, I've advocated for many user-friendly scenarios only to get shutdown by "business decisions" higher up by folks who have been in Windows for 20+ years. The engineering culture inside of Windows, from my experience, is poor and not improving

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by tcmart14 »

userbinator wrote: post #233
tcmart14 wrote: post #145

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I didn't say it was going to save me. I do think I had a type that said 'good future.' I meant to put something along the lines of 'good probability of a future.' Chrome OS is going to be another user hostile environment for sure. But the point is, Chrome OS has a good shot at displacing windows not because it is better or less user hostile, but because it is putting cheap machines in the hands of kids who will one d…

Chrome OS has a good shot at displacing windows not because it is better or less user hostile, but because it is putting cheap machines in the hands of kids who will one day, grow up, and enter the workforce and lead the workforce later on. That's even worse, because as the saying goes, those who never had freedom (or ownership, for that matter) won't miss it.

What is worst or better is not what matters in this instance. This is a matter of the reality of what will probably lead to the adoption of an OS. Would I be happy with Chrome OS displacing Windows? No. Am I happy with Windows having the market share it does? No. But what I want doesn't matter in adoption. What matters is, Chrome OS has a strategy that will probably work. And that strategy doesn't involve tech influences getting excited over the product, it is simply getting it in kid's hand so they think Chrome OS is how a computer should be. Regardless if that is true. That is why Linux adoption for the common user sucks, their first experience was probably Windows, so in their mind, Windows is how a computer should be.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by howinteresting »

dimgl wrote: post #299
ficiek wrote: post #250

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>Linux still barely works in 2022 I have had zero problem running linux as my daily driver for the last 10 years, care to explain your comment? The only problem that I have is that video games don't always work because the developers don't care.

I see this argument in every thread about Linux. There's always this one magical user where everything "just works", has had 0 issues and everything's just dandy.

I wouldn't say I've had zero issues or that everything just works, but things tend to fail less often or in less inscrutable ways than Windows or MacOS.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by tcmart14 »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #276
userbinator wrote: post #233

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Chrome OS has a good shot at displacing windows not because it is better or less user hostile, but because it is putting cheap machines in the hands of kids who will one day, grow up, and enter the workforce and lead the workforce later on. That's even worse, because as the saying goes, those who never had freedom (or ownership, for that matter) won't miss it.

Fear not; they'll deprecate Chrome OS and Stadia in the next few years and add it to https://killedbygoogle.com/ , which I see has just added AngularJS recently. Google Cloud Print stuck out there too, since we had a big thing about rolling that out at work just a few years ago as the future solution for all our printing needs.

Google does kill off a lot of products, but I wouldn't hold my breath on Chrome OS. It is paying off for them in the education space. They have an OS that ships on cheap computers that work well enough for students. Gets them in the google ecosystem and the mind set of Chrome OS is what a computer should be. Not to mention contracts in place with school systems that probably nets them easy money.

https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/chrome-os/chromebook/228534/....

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Post by xvector »

knighthack wrote: post #360
NeutronStar wrote: post #272

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I don't even use a desktop environment. Gonna be using a window manager for ever. Most of everything is run on the command line anyway.

How do you browse the Internet then?

You can use normal applications in a window manager. Window manager ≠ terminal

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by ncmncm »

kadenwolff wrote: post #361
ncmncm wrote: post #223

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In my experience, Apple customers mostly just convince themselves that they must want whatever it is Apple chooses to offer at the moment. This is most easily seen whenever the new version of an Apple product arrives, lacking a feature they had relied on. They immediately set to work persuading themselves they can make do without that.

This seems dismissive, especially when you're talking to other devs who have a lot of experience with different OS's. I'm sure some people just accept whatever Apple pushes because they want to have an iPhone for the status signal, but there are a decent number of tech-informed people who prefer MacOS for reasonable reasons.

The easiest person to fool has always been yourself. Apple didn't bring that about, but they absolutely rely on it.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by fartcannon »

RussianCow wrote: post #372
fartcannon wrote: post #113

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Just start now. Think of unsupported games as you think of games for Nintendo and Sony machines. Your financial support of gaming on Linux will encourage developers to support it. Waiting just keeps the status quo.

I did this a few years ago with the same mindset, thinking I’d still regularly boot into Windows, but I haven’t done so in probably over a year. I was surprised at how little I missed the games that don’t run (well or at all) on Linux—probably because there are so many good options these days. At this point I’m thinking of deleting my Windows partition altogether.

Yeah, if you ever REALLY need one you can just run it in an emulator. In 20 years, I've never REALLY needed it.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by kjellsbells »

Often in these conversations the response is around gaming as the last bastion that needs Windows. Im here to claim that its Office, specifically reliable desktop implementations of 365 and SharePoint/onedrive, not the (admittedly rather cool, but not nearly powerful enough) web versions. I am simultaneously encouraged and disturbed by the idea that, say, 365 desktop native Outlook might be rewritten as a cross platform Electron app. Encouraged because if I could have 365 on Linux I would transition overnight, and disturbed because of the thought of grindingly slow Office on Windows (Teams already showed this tendency).

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by thombles »

emmelaich wrote: post #365
anon1900 wrote: post #28

As an engineer working at Microsoft in Windows, I 100% agree...it's just as frustrating seeing these from inside as well (edit: from throwaway as a protective measure)

Is Windows Professional relatively free from these shenanigans? Or do we need to get Enterprise?

As far as I can see everything in the article applies in W11 Professional. It will be interesting, though, to see what happens when more big enterprises start piloting their upgrades to W11. The taskbar changes alone could cause mutinies in thousands of back office departments.
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