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Windows needs a change in priorities

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Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by bsder »

jeroenhd wrote: post #4

You've got to admire Microsoft's support of open source software. They're doing their best to push users to Linux! By making their UI as ugly and difficult to use as possible so that users don't feel too much of a bump in usability when they try Linux. I'm sure MS can get the job done and kill off their OS with just a few more years of obnoxious bullshit forcefully shoved into their operating system!

Agreed. Windows 11 and macOS 12 finally gave me the kick necessary to switch to Linux full-time (Lenovo Carbon X1).

macOS 12 cannot maintain a USB 2.0 connection. Not by dongle. Not by dock. Not by monitor. Not with 3rd party. Not with Apple-approved hardware. No way, no how. This is known, reported and totally Apple's fault (some of the earlier macOS 11 builds work fine). And this is the standard problem with Apple, "It just works--until it doesn't. If it doesn't, sucks to be you." I'm done with that.

Windows 10 was already bad enough with "Please, sir, can I have some compute?" with "I say thee NAY! I will now upgrade for the next 40 minutes. Hah!" Add in even more telemetry and inconsistency and I just gave up.

The whole point of Windows and macOS was to NOT have to dork with my OS and just get my work done. If I have to dork with my OS to make it not suck, I should be on Linux! At least then, when I figure out how to make my OS not suck, I'm helping instead of contributing to Microsoft or Apple profits.

So, yeah, I'll maintain a Windows desktop for the few times I need it (Fusion 360 and some videoconferencing stuff), but otherwise it's been Linux full-time for me. And Apple can just go pound sand.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by mwcampbell »

banana_giraffe wrote: post #44
segphault wrote: post #22

Like every Windows user, I have had a lot of frustrating experiences with the abusive behavior and dark patterns that have taken over the platform. Like when they started having Skype silently run in the background logged in with the user's Microsoft account without any notice or human intervention, and removed the setting to disable it from launching at startup so that it couldn't be prevented. I had to completely u…

Even stuff like WSL is loosing it's shine now for me. I've personally hit a bug on multiple computers that I can reliably repo a blue screen if I attempt to update a specific package. The github bug for this issue last had activity from MS 4 months ago. Kinda makes it hard to take it seriously if such a major blocker is treated with such low priority.

Is that WSL 1 or 2?

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by 8note »

segphault wrote: post #22

Like every Windows user, I have had a lot of frustrating experiences with the abusive behavior and dark patterns that have taken over the platform. Like when they started having Skype silently run in the background logged in with the user's Microsoft account without any notice or human intervention, and removed the setting to disable it from launching at startup so that it couldn't be prevented. I had to completely u…

Nobody has figured out how to get the old windows ink back, unfortunately.

I basically lost the reason for having a windows touch+pen input screen:/ and nobody has found out how to get the killer app back.

I suspect that only pre-windows 8 good features will be retained over time

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by chungy »

duskwuff wrote: post #34
flatiron wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/refs...

ReFS has the stink of death all over it. It's been the "next generation" filesystem for Windows since 2012, with no signs of ever graduating to being the current filesystem -- in fact, a 2017 update to Windows 10 removed the ability for most desktop systems to create ReFS volumes.

ReFS is a poor man's version of btrfs much in the same way btrfs is a poor man's version of ZFS. It's also apparent that ReFS is basically abandoned.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by Sakos »

userbinator wrote: post #27
khaledh wrote: post #24

This article nails a lot of the issues with Windows 11. I bit the bullet and upgraded to Windows 11 late last year thinking it must be an improvement over Windows 10. It turned out to be a big step backwards. - Changing the default browser is a lot of work instead of a single click. - I can't move the task bar to the side, even though almost every monitor nowadays has much more horizontal space than vertical. - All a…

Also what's with the excessive rounded corners and slim selection padding? The people who worked on the design use Macs. Seriously. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30019307

When I first heard about this, everything that's ever bothered me about the Windows 8-10-11 evolution makes so much more sense. They're turning it into MacOS.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by hattar »

flatiron wrote: post #25
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only that, but shipping Microsoft Office onto the Mac makes it so much easier to leave if you're not playing video games.

Office on the Mac is awful. When I worked at apple I wasnt the only person who ran office in a windows vm. It was a supported config.

It is awful, but so is office on windows. I get so many weird lockups, crashes, and file desynchronizations. Office is one of the worst pieces of software I have to run in windows.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by userbinator »

lordnacho wrote: post #38
lucasyvas wrote: post #29

These problems tend to work themselves out naturally - when you purposefully damage your user experience, you lose the early tech adopters that originally drove your product growth. They instead flock to a competitor that leaves you holding your bag of a shitty product. There are a few companies flirting with this dangerous line right now and it opens them up completely for disruption, which is the opposite of what t…

I wish this was true, but there are a heck of a lot of office workers who have grown up with Windows and can never be trained to use anything else. You'll get a lot of resistance and rationalisation about why they don't think Linux or BSD or whatever isn't as good, and that the training time is better used to just work.

who have grown up with Windows and can never be trained to use anything else.

When Windows itself is changing so much that it hardly resembles what it used to be, there's going to be a lot of relearning anyway.

On the other hand, you can make Linux look like any version of Windows if you really wanted to.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by banana_giraffe »

mwcampbell wrote: post #73
banana_giraffe wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even stuff like WSL is loosing it's shine now for me. I've personally hit a bug on multiple computers that I can reliably repo a blue screen if I attempt to update a specific package. The github bug for this issue last had activity from MS 4 months ago. Kinda makes it hard to take it seriously if such a major blocker is treated with such low priority.

Is that WSL 1 or 2?

WSL 1, my attempt to install WSL 2 after this BSOD failed miserably, put a machine in a boot loop, I haven't dug into what was going on there.
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