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Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by tcmart14 »

criddell wrote: post #111
rthomas6 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is wrong with Linux nowadays? I've used it as my main driver for long enough that I can't see the big problems that are preventing everyone from switching. Like, it seems easier than even WSL to me. Beginner friendly distos seem to have solved the package management problem, and there are adequate desktop environments, office suites, browsers, gaming, and everything else. If a person has good hardware compatibil…

There's a lot of software not on Linux or that doesn't run well on Linux. People pick their OS based on what software they want to run, not the other way around. And they pick from what they can buy. Go into a BestBuy and you can choose between Windows machines, Apple machines, and a few Chromebooks. If you did manage to buy a Linux machine somewhere, you are going to be disappointed when you go back into that BestBu…

But the issue here is not inherently with Linux. It is more so with vendors of printers making drivers. If Brother feels that there are enough people running Linux and want to own a Brother printer, they will make the driver. Maybe that is the issue we need solve, or at least the part we need to be vocal about. If brother gets a significant number of emails asking for linux support, perhaps they will finally make linux a first class citizen?

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by gruez »

elorant wrote: post #55
MarkSweep wrote: post #35

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It’s not quite Windows 2000, but the LTSC edition has much of the bullshit stripped out. It does not support the store therefore Candy Crush is not installed by default. And I don’t think it’s quite $1000, if you can figure out how to buy it.

It's available in volume licensing, with a 5 license as minimal order.

Apparently you can pad the 5 license minimum with cheap licenses, so it's not like you need to fork over $1000+ to get started.

https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2167558-explicit-inst...

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by stuartd »

MarkSweep wrote: post #35
worewood wrote: post #10

If they shipped a version of Windows sporting the Windows-11 kernel, so running all the recent software, but with Windows 2000 UI for a thousand dollars I would buy it immediately.

It’s not quite Windows 2000, but the LTSC edition has much of the bullshit stripped out. It does not support the store therefore Candy Crush is not installed by default. And I don’t think it’s quite $1000, if you can figure out how to buy it.

Been running Windows Server as my desktop dev environment since NT4. Back then it was so the dev environment was the same as the server environment, that’s pretty much fixed now so it’s just to avoid all this horrible store nonsense. Can’t upgrade from 2019 as I don’t have a TPM so no WSL2 or new terminal but happy to accept that trade off. And shout out to win2k server which was awesome!

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by fartcannon »

criddell wrote: post #111
rthomas6 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is wrong with Linux nowadays? I've used it as my main driver for long enough that I can't see the big problems that are preventing everyone from switching. Like, it seems easier than even WSL to me. Beginner friendly distos seem to have solved the package management problem, and there are adequate desktop environments, office suites, browsers, gaming, and everything else. If a person has good hardware compatibil…

There's a lot of software not on Linux or that doesn't run well on Linux. People pick their OS based on what software they want to run, not the other way around. And they pick from what they can buy. Go into a BestBuy and you can choose between Windows machines, Apple machines, and a few Chromebooks. If you did manage to buy a Linux machine somewhere, you are going to be disappointed when you go back into that BestBu…

People pick everything based on marketing.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by tcmart14 »

Espressosaurus wrote: post #138
tcmart14 wrote: post #119

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I don't think pleasing tech adopters is what help windows at this point. Maybe 20 year ago, sure. Today, most consumers of Windows that are not business/enterprise, are probably doing it more so because that was the defacto OS for them when they were in grade school, and it has been the defacto OS on most computers sub $1K. We are seeing some market shift to chrome OS and there is probably a good future where Chrome…

If you think Chrome OS is going to save you, you haven't been paying attention to Google for the past 10 years.

I didn't say it was going to save me. I do think I had a type that said 'good future.' I meant to put something along the lines of 'good probability of a future.' Chrome OS is going to be another user hostile environment for sure. But the point is, Chrome OS has a good shot at displacing windows not because it is better or less user hostile, but because it is putting cheap machines in the hands of kids who will one day, grow up, and enter the workforce and lead the workforce later on.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by gruez »

R0b0t1 wrote: post #120
elorant wrote: post #55

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It's available in volume licensing, with a 5 license as minimal order.

But IIRC you need an active directory domain, so a server license to run this all off of.

>But IIRC you need an active directory domain

No? I installed it in a VM just fine without it. During initial setup there's a "domain join" option, but all that does is create a local account.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by mwcampbell »

QuantumSeed wrote: post #106
segphault wrote: post #22

Like every Windows user, I have had a lot of frustrating experiences with the abusive behavior and dark patterns that have taken over the platform. Like when they started having Skype silently run in the background logged in with the user's Microsoft account without any notice or human intervention, and removed the setting to disable it from launching at startup so that it couldn't be prevented. I had to completely u…

To your point, the Programs and Features section of the Windows 11 Control Panel no longer lists Microsoft Teams as a product that can be uninstalled.

To be fair, that legacy control panel doesn't list any apps that use the AppX/MSIX packaging model introduced with Windows 8. I'm still not on Windows 11, so I don't know if Teams is listed in the newer list of apps available in modern Settings, but it's worth looking there.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by banana_giraffe »

gruez wrote: post #137
banana_giraffe wrote: post #80

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WSL 1, my attempt to install WSL 2 after this BSOD failed miserably, put a machine in a boot loop, I haven't dug into what was going on there.

AFAIK WSL 1 isn't actively being worked on anymore, now that there's WSL 2. As for your issue with WSL 2, it runs off hyper-v, so my guess is that there's something with your BIOS/UEFI/firmware settings that's breaking it (eg. secureboot/CSM, TPM, virtualization).

You might be right about WSL 1 being dead, which is just annoying since it's useful for me.

Ironically with your comment about Hyper-V: I moved to using Linux in a Hyper-V VM for now for this workflow. It's in that category of category of "ugh, not worth the time to figure out" for now, which probably means I won't bother for quite a while. Honestly, when things slow down again, I'll probably just flatten this machine and install Linux. MS is kinda killing whatever inertia I had for dealing with their quirks.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by smackeyacky »

criddell wrote: post #111
rthomas6 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is wrong with Linux nowadays? I've used it as my main driver for long enough that I can't see the big problems that are preventing everyone from switching. Like, it seems easier than even WSL to me. Beginner friendly distos seem to have solved the package management problem, and there are adequate desktop environments, office suites, browsers, gaming, and everything else. If a person has good hardware compatibil…

There's a lot of software not on Linux or that doesn't run well on Linux. People pick their OS based on what software they want to run, not the other way around. And they pick from what they can buy. Go into a BestBuy and you can choose between Windows machines, Apple machines, and a few Chromebooks. If you did manage to buy a Linux machine somewhere, you are going to be disappointed when you go back into that BestBu…

Ironically, printers are now easier to get working on Linux than they are on Windows. The whole no-driver setup in the unix world murders the "must install this driver and possibly restart" shenanigans on Windows.

I was quite surprised when I switched my main dev machine to Linux and the printer not only appeared by itself, but worked out of the box.

Re: Windows needs a change in priorities

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Post by grishka »

xattt wrote: post #33
duskwuff wrote: post #18

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> The UI inconsistencies are one thing (that you would hop get ironed out over time) I wouldn't get my hopes up. Microsoft seems to be introducing new UI frameworks -- each with their own slightly different appearance -- at an ever-increasing rate. If current trends continue, by 2030 there will be more Windows UI frameworks than developers using them. :)

Are you saying that by 2030, there will be a custom UI framework for every developer out there? Beat that, Apple!

Isn't Apple's SwiftUI just a unified layer on top of AppKit/UIKit/WatchKit depending on the platform though?
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