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Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by easrng »

sreevisakh wrote: post #151
dessant wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Age verification is already mandated in the EU, and when you provide your credit card details to Google's age verification system for YouTube, they create a payments profile for you without consent. The Google account is set up for purchasing services across all Google properties, without needing to provide further payment details. Google is exploiting the requirement for age verification to set up Google accounts fo…

Google's use of payment profiles is much more nefarious and exploitative. I recently moved from one country to another. There are a lot of apps that provide local services - like banking and public transport information. I wasn't able to install any of them. Why? My original profile is from the country of my previous residence, where I originally bought my phone. None of those apps should be geographically restricted…

You could get a prepaid card and switch to that as your primary payment method. FWIW, I've removed all payment methods from my account before and it worked though I had to disable some unused Google Cloud projects I think.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by simion314 »

int_19h wrote: post #134
simion314 wrote: post #95

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I think most of us know that clicking "I am 18+" is a joke, governments will eventually look into this and not because politicians want to make it harder for them to access this pages but because activists and religious groups will put pressure on them (I seen with my own eyes religious people exiting from a party because the leadership allowed gays to have a parade in the city, and if in your region/country there ar…

Any open source solution would be trivial to disable, by definition. Hence OP's point that pursuing this to its logical conclusion means banning F/OSS. (See also: Vernor Vinge's "Rainbows End")

>Any open source solution would be trivial to disable, by definition. Hence OP's point that pursuing this to its logical conclusion means banning F/OSS.

And you think that you can't "mod" some proprietary application? The only exception is locked down devices so not only FOSS would be affected but also non locked-down and DRM devices, if UK or Australia will demand only DRM devices to exist so all laws are followed then we are fucked anyway.

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Post by Drdrdrq »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #143
Drdrdrq wrote: post #100

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Convenience is often the biggest enemy of privacy.

The current system where we can choose between security and convenience is good enough for me. I loath those who would take that choice away from me.

First of all, I said privacy, not security. Huge difference.

That aside, I am not advocating for less choice, merely observing that in many cases users willingly give up their privacy (or other rights) for convenience. Your reaction to my observation actually proves my point.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by inetknght »

jlund-molfese wrote: post #128
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #93

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but some countries, like the US, don’t have a national ID system This is.. not quite true. Social security numbers are used this way (even if they aren't intended to be such a thing) and passports are essentially a national ID system. My passport is the only valid ID that I have - of course, I live outside the US and have to have the nearest US embassy renew it. (I don't qualify for Norwegian IDs yet, and my immigrat…

Passports are a federal ID , but they’re not mandated in the same way that other countries like Estonia mandate national IDs. SSNs? Sure, they’re (optionally) used as an identifier. But they’re primarily used in the financial world, along with your credit score. Most state and federal agencies won’t require an SSN for official business (again excepting taxes & payments). A hotel will accept a Global Entry card for ch…

> SSNs? Sure, they’re (optionally) used as an identifier.

They're misused as an identifier. They've also been leaked to fuck and back.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by mkl »

markdown wrote: post #155
dessant wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Age verification is already mandated in the EU, and when you provide your credit card details to Google's age verification system for YouTube, they create a payments profile for you without consent. The Google account is set up for purchasing services across all Google properties, without needing to provide further payment details. Google is exploiting the requirement for age verification to set up Google accounts fo…

> they create a payments profile for you without consent. And? I create a "profile" in my mind of every new human I interact with, and every human I read about or hear about even without interacting with. It's a basic human function. When I gain a new business client, I create a profile of them too. This might start with a phone number, but over time, expand to include an email address, knowledge about their location…

Storing my credit card details permanently should require separate consent. Even if a credit card is used to verify my age, once they've seen it one time, they should delete it unless I tell them to store it - it's not like I'm going to get younger or anything.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

dessant wrote: post #123
numlock86 wrote: post #72

> Australian government forces Google to soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content There, I fixed it. I'm getting tired of every headline trying to bash on Google/Facebook/etc. for clicks.

Age verification is already mandated in the EU, and when you provide your credit card details to Google's age verification system for YouTube, they create a payments profile for you without consent. The Google account is set up for purchasing services across all Google properties, without needing to provide further payment details. Google is exploiting the requirement for age verification to set up Google accounts fo…

They do also other things like that:

- logging to gmail on a non logged in android ? This logs the entire phone to the accounts

- chrome and online google services account are intertwined

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

markdown wrote: post #155
dessant wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Age verification is already mandated in the EU, and when you provide your credit card details to Google's age verification system for YouTube, they create a payments profile for you without consent. The Google account is set up for purchasing services across all Google properties, without needing to provide further payment details. Google is exploiting the requirement for age verification to set up Google accounts fo…

> they create a payments profile for you without consent. And? I create a "profile" in my mind of every new human I interact with, and every human I read about or hear about even without interacting with. It's a basic human function. When I gain a new business client, I create a profile of them too. This might start with a phone number, but over time, expand to include an email address, knowledge about their location…

It is with a business in Europe, and rightly so.

Corporations may be legally people, but they are not individuals. They are not human. And we should not treat them as such.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

tzs wrote: post #158
DaltonCoffee wrote: post #102

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Needing gov't ID to follow search links is dystopian, and antithetical to the original spirit of the Internet. Google should flat out refuse when governments make these requests.

It looks like it is for YouTube and Play content, not search links. If so, I don't see how it is any more dystopian than the ID requirements that have long been in place for non-internet media. I don't recall anyone calling it dystopian back in the '70s for instance when we had to show ID to rent movies from the "adult" room at the local video rental store.

When you shown ID to the local video store, no record is made. And the video stores usually were not connected to a global interconnected graph of customers data.

Worst case scenario, you had a paper card somewhere in a drawer with your name on it.

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