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A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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If you want a real kick in the gut… watch the videos and read the texts from Hunter Biden’s laptop. And know that it came out weeks before the election and literally everyone except the NY Post covered it up (and were censored for it). I’ve seen more of Hunter Biden than I have ever wanted to see of any man.

How was the NY Post censored? There was no coverup. Elsewhere in the comments someone linked to what I think is the original NY Times article. What’s the authenticity verification timeline vs. NY Post’s article(s)?

Both Facebook and Twitter blocked sharing of the NY Post article. You couldn't even share it in a private message. Twitter froze the NY Post's twitter account saying they would unfreeze it once the NY Post took down the article.

Facebook and Twitter restrict controversial New York Post story on Joe Biden https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/oct/14/facebook-...

Twitter Unblocks Account of New York Post, Which Claims Victory in Standoff Over Biden Stories https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/twitter-unblocks-new-y...

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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How was the NY Post censored? There was no coverup. Elsewhere in the comments someone linked to what I think is the original NY Times article. What’s the authenticity verification timeline vs. NY Post’s article(s)?

Both Facebook and Twitter blocked sharing of the NY Post article. You couldn't even share it in a private message. Twitter froze the NY Post's twitter account saying they would unfreeze it once the NY Post took down the article. Facebook and Twitter restrict controversial New York Post story on Joe Biden https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/oct/14/facebook-... Twitter Unblocks Account of New York Post, Which C…

Huh. I did not know that. Thanks for the links.

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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There's another related phenomenon where a claim can be true and false at the same time yet many people get trapped attempting to prove the claim's veracity in a series of "no, actually..." proofs. Each party thinks they have the "actual" truth and both are just spinning around the same nebulous. Examples of this are hard to provide because they only spawn a new version of the controversy. The fantastic story "Sort By Controversial" gives you a glimpse into this occurrence. [0]

[0] https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/30/sort-by-controversial/

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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Here's the thing about Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi and their substacks: they are part of that whole laundering of Russian propaganda. You have to stop and ask yourself why we are talking about biolabs at all in the first place. The reason is that Putin wants to talk about biolabs because a) he needs to bolster his case that Ukrainians are Nazis intent on killing Russians and b) he possibly is prepping for using b…

I knew I shouldn't have linked to Greenwald. Just like, address the direct quote from Nuland. > Now there a may or may not be concerns about biolabs. There are concerns about biolabs. Nuland said exactly that. She even used the word "concern". They are - I'm guessing from the context - unique enough that the Russians don't have labs like this, otherwise who cares if the Russians capture them? Am I just ignorant about…

> I knew I shouldn't have linked to Greenwald.

I'm glad you did because he's a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

> There are concerns about biolabs. Nuland said exactly that. She even used the word "concern".

Greenwald did a great job directing you to the conclusion he wanted you to draw. Because even after, I assume, you've read his piece you still have the big question mark over your head, which is "what exactly is in the labs?" And that is the question that Putin wants on everyone's mind. That is the question he needs all over the internet. Because that question will also be on Russian minds, and Putin has filled in that blank with [WMDs designed to target Russians]. The bigger that question, the better Putin's lie works. Putin can't make that lie big on his own.

The counterintelligence term of art for Greenwald is that he's a "useful idiot" for Russia. Glenn Greenwald, as prolific a blogger he is, has no idea whatsoever about what's in those labs. But he's very sure that the utterance of the word "concern" has blown open the whole scheme. It's incredible to me that the whole piece you linked, over 2000 words, hinges on that one word. And now your opinion also hinges on that word.

Actually for all the talk about what's in the labs, it really does not matter. What matters is that everyone has a question about the labs, because when Russia attempts a false flag chemical weapon or biological attack, they will use the question on everyone's mind as a justification. It's called "muddying the waters" or as Steve Bannon put it "flooding the zone with shit". You and me sitting here on HN talking about biolabs is all part of manufacturing that justification.

> Am I just ignorant about non-weapons biolabs here?

Yes and so am I. So are 90% of us talking about the issue here. We have no business talking about biolabs. And yet it seems like all of the experts of biolabs are here on HN to tell us all of the nuance they've learned over the.... last few weeks since Putin wanted us all to be talking about Ukrainian biolabs.

> If being wrong about a thing disqualifies all your future reporting

It's about why they were wrong (100k troops on the border, tanks, equipment, and the US government saying that Russia is about to invade, yet they trusted Putin's word until the moment bombs started falling, when everyone else saw the obvious far in advance). They have blinders when it comes to Russia. They call Russian collusion a "hoax" (which again is also Putin's position) to this day even though Republican Senate investigators confirmed everything. Greenwald and Taibbi are consistently wrong regarding Russia and have been over a number of years.

What we witnessed last month during the build-up of the invasion was the resolution of two-competing worldviews constructed over a number of years. One worldview held that Putin is a master tactician, and a savvy genius who out-maneuvers the West consistently. The other worldview held that Putin is a psychopathic dictator, who is not a master tactician or even a good politician, but a thug and a tyrant. Predictions were made last month from these two competing camps and then they met reality; the reality that won was that Putin is a psychopath. So now you really have to call into question everything that was said from the people with the perspective that Putin is a genius tactician. How much of what they've argued had the wrong priors leading to faulty conclusions?

> go back and watch the media and Democratic politicians mock Romney when he suggested back in the 2012 Presidential Debates

Yes, maybe you shouldn't listen to those people either. This isn't about Republicans vs. Democrats, it's about wrong vs. right and who has a track record of being right about this topic. Perhaps we should all actually be listening to Mitt Romney a lot more!

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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I knew I shouldn't have linked to Greenwald. Just like, address the direct quote from Nuland. > Now there a may or may not be concerns about biolabs. There are concerns about biolabs. Nuland said exactly that. She even used the word "concern". They are - I'm guessing from the context - unique enough that the Russians don't have labs like this, otherwise who cares if the Russians capture them? Am I just ignorant about…

> I knew I shouldn't have linked to Greenwald. I'm glad you did because he's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. > There are concerns about biolabs. Nuland said exactly that. She even used the word "concern". Greenwald did a great job directing you to the conclusion he wanted you to draw. Because even after, I assume, you've read his piece you still have the big question mark over your head, which is "what e…

> So now you really have to call into question everything that was said from the people with the perspective that Putin is a genius tactician.

Actually, the people who spent the last half-decade telling me that Putin was "playing chess" are the exact same people who are now telling me he's unhinged and mentally ill and that we need to send F-16s to Poland.

But really, the specifics don't matter to me.

Biolabs or not, doesn't matter. Putin is a genius with a legitimate beef or he's a nutjob with a brain tumor and short-man syndrome, doesn't matter. imo we should just be avoiding WW3. Everything else is secondary. Maybe that means Ukraine is not defendable.

It's probably good I'm in an armchair. But from where I'm sitting, the people who seem to be getting us closer to nuclear war are also the ones yelling "you're carrying water for Putin!" whenever anyone asks a question.

I was an adult during the Iraq War. I'm cynical, and that clouds my judgement.

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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I agree that there's been too much of this lately. The lab leak one I fell for myself, feeling it was too conspiratorial, until Biden popped up on TV and said the US felt like the idea had legs. And then I felt stupid. But it was a good lesson in not drinking the whole cup of Kool-Aid. Although I fell again for the Cosmonaut jumpsuit palaver :(

If you want a real kick in the gut… watch the videos and read the texts from Hunter Biden’s laptop. And know that it came out weeks before the election and literally everyone except the NY Post covered it up (and were censored for it). I’ve seen more of Hunter Biden than I have ever wanted to see of any man.

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Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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This appears to be a strange self-conversation. You take words and twist them until they fit a point you wanted to make. Apparently you believe in things that most don't believe and that have been labeled (by whom?) as Russian propaganda. What does this add or subtract to the article? And if I dare say so: if others get the impression that ideas you share are propaganda it is worth reflecting how you formed these opi…

My point is that the "misinformation" label has constantly been used as a cover to censor. Two cases in point: 1. To say that Covid may have originated in a lab would get you censored on youtube, facebook and most other social media. It was misinformation until it wasn't. Now the lab leak theory is just as viable. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/26/facebook-ban-covid-... 2. When the story of Hunter Biden's lapt…

> When the story of Hunter Biden's laptop first broke, it was labeled by most mainstream media, along with 50 intelligence experts, as Russian propaganda. Now even the New York Times admits that it was authentic.

It’s seems impossible to have a nuanced discussion anything political.

Many parts of the story about Hunter Biden’s laptop were true, that doesn’t mean that the story was not propaganda.

The original NYPost story used the Trump team as sources, the story specifically cites Giuliani as the source of the emails seems like reason enough to doubt the veracity.

That said, censorship is not the right approach.

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes" – Author unclear Can we talk about the supposedly "cosmonauts arriving in the ISS wearing Ukraine's color" for a moment by the way? I saw that news posted at least 3 times today on HN, and it has been pushed all days on the front page on all media over here, I even got a notification on my phone from news outlets. But looking deeper i…

yeah and let's ignore it's also their university colors and Kazakhstan flag colors from where they are taking off

And speaking about supporting UA with colors same happened with Chinese CCTV news anchor where someone completely changed colors of her dress from green to blue and then spread this changed image for Ukrainian propaganda purposes all over social media, you can see social media photo and real colors in video here:

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4458635

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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I like how he mentioned Russian propaganda, but completely ignores Ukrainian one which is uncritically published by all MSM.

These last two pandemic years taught me to have absolute distrust in MSM, since as we all seen difference between "misinformation" and truth is few months.

It seems this shrank during UA war from months to hours, the best examples immediately forgotten by MSM being famous Ghost of Kiev, Snake island hero zombie soldiers or Mariupol drama theater with 1000 dead/trapped people under rubble with moving satellite photo of KIDS sign yet NOT A SINGLE photo of anyone trying to rescue them, not a single ambulance, digger, dead body etc and let's ignore fact people spreading "misinformation" wrote about this bombing 3 days prior it on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/15028753191703879...

And speaking about supporting UA with colors same happened with Chinese CCTV news anchor where someone completely changed colors of her dress from green to blue and then spread this changed image for Ukrainian propaganda purposes all over social media, you can see social media photo and real colors in video here:

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4458635

And let's forget Pandora papers corrupted Zelensky suddenly becoming The Saint in MSM, while it's same corrupted scumbag as Putin.

Re: A sequence that we see all the time in the world of junk science

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"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes" – Author unclear Can we talk about the supposedly "cosmonauts arriving in the ISS wearing Ukraine's color" for a moment by the way? I saw that news posted at least 3 times today on HN, and it has been pushed all days on the front page on all media over here, I even got a notification on my phone from news outlets. But looking deeper i…

> it seems like they've been using said suits since at least 2015 First link i could find, from 2021. Clearly the same suits /s. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-564...

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