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Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

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Post by mixedCase »

octoberfranklin wrote: post #26
notepalf wrote: post #21

That's why decentralized chat protocols like matrix are needed

Complexity is a form of backdoor centralization. There is still only one implementation of the Matrix homeserver protocol. Just one. But hey, at least we have built-in VOIP and color unicode emojiis. You couldn't possibly have a successor to IRC without features like those . Glad the Matrix folks have their priorities straight.

No, you couldn't if you want to ever reach any reasonable threshold of adoption. Most people don't care in the slightest, if they even know about, for federation. They want emojis, and being able to video call grandson. I'd argue stories has been turning into a requirement as well. The WhatsApp feature set. Then you have a lot of people who want the Discord feature set. Any missing feature and "this sucks let's go to Discord".

The world has already tried decentralization without putting the average user's needs and wants first, it's called XMPP and it's there for you to use and call the echo server, if there even is one to respond. Matrix has a long way to go, but at least it hasn't given up before it started.

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

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Post by cassianoleal »

henriquemaia wrote: post #3
Cuintle wrote: post #2

Brazilian Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes ordered the suspension of messaging app Telegram, following a request from the country's federal police, local news broadcasters TV Globo and CNN Brasil both reported on Friday.

> The decision comes after the messaging app, which is widely used by Brazil's far-right President Jair Bolsonaro and his allies, failed to respond to court orders to block certain accounts that had been found to disseminate disinformation, Globo reported. What is really happening? This is as _ad hominem_ as it can get. Boo! Bolsonaro uses it, so block it. So maybe this is an oversimplification of the real reason. An…

> The decision comes after the messaging app (...) failed to respond to court orders

They are being blocked for not responding to court orders.

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

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Post by zaik »

mixedCase wrote: post #31
octoberfranklin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complexity is a form of backdoor centralization. There is still only one implementation of the Matrix homeserver protocol. Just one. But hey, at least we have built-in VOIP and color unicode emojiis. You couldn't possibly have a successor to IRC without features like those . Glad the Matrix folks have their priorities straight.

No, you couldn't if you want to ever reach any reasonable threshold of adoption. Most people don't care in the slightest, if they even know about, for federation. They want emojis, and being able to video call grandson. I'd argue stories has been turning into a requirement as well. The WhatsApp feature set. Then you have a lot of people who want the Discord feature set. Any missing feature and "this sucks let's go to…

I got most of my friends and family to install an XMPP client, so it's not just the echo server if you don't want to.

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

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Post by octoberfranklin »

Arathorn wrote: post #27
octoberfranklin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complexity is a form of backdoor centralization. There is still only one implementation of the Matrix homeserver protocol. Just one. But hey, at least we have built-in VOIP and color unicode emojiis. You couldn't possibly have a successor to IRC without features like those . Glad the Matrix folks have their priorities straight.

Your facts are wrong; there are hundreds of dendrite (go) and conduit (rust) Matrix instances live on the network these days, as well as instances of the original synapse Python implementation. Admittedly dendrite and conduit are beta, but then so was synapse until 2020.

Your facts are wrong: none of those are complete homeserver implementations.

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

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Post by MattJ100 »

mixedCase wrote: post #31
octoberfranklin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complexity is a form of backdoor centralization. There is still only one implementation of the Matrix homeserver protocol. Just one. But hey, at least we have built-in VOIP and color unicode emojiis. You couldn't possibly have a successor to IRC without features like those . Glad the Matrix folks have their priorities straight.

No, you couldn't if you want to ever reach any reasonable threshold of adoption. Most people don't care in the slightest, if they even know about, for federation. They want emojis, and being able to video call grandson. I'd argue stories has been turning into a requirement as well. The WhatsApp feature set. Then you have a lot of people who want the Discord feature set. Any missing feature and "this sucks let's go to…

Saying XMPP "gave up before it started" is nonsense. There is plenty of usage and development activity across a bunch of projects. Check out the monthly newsletter for some highlights: https://xmpp.org/newsletter/

Our project https://snikket.org/ is using XMPP and has all the features you listed. My 85yo grandmother does in fact use it to video call her grandson, regularly :)

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

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Post by notepalf »

mixedCase wrote: post #31
octoberfranklin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complexity is a form of backdoor centralization. There is still only one implementation of the Matrix homeserver protocol. Just one. But hey, at least we have built-in VOIP and color unicode emojiis. You couldn't possibly have a successor to IRC without features like those . Glad the Matrix folks have their priorities straight.

No, you couldn't if you want to ever reach any reasonable threshold of adoption. Most people don't care in the slightest, if they even know about, for federation. They want emojis, and being able to video call grandson. I'd argue stories has been turning into a requirement as well. The WhatsApp feature set. Then you have a lot of people who want the Discord feature set. Any missing feature and "this sucks let's go to…

I don't use XMPP since the Google talk era, how are the available servers nowadays? Does they support federation, meaning that users from different servers can talk to each other?

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

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Post by MattJ100 »

notepalf wrote: post #36
mixedCase wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you couldn't if you want to ever reach any reasonable threshold of adoption. Most people don't care in the slightest, if they even know about, for federation. They want emojis, and being able to video call grandson. I'd argue stories has been turning into a requirement as well. The WhatsApp feature set. Then you have a lot of people who want the Discord feature set. Any missing feature and "this sucks let's go to…

I don't use XMPP since the Google talk era, how are the available servers nowadays? Does they support federation, meaning that users from different servers can talk to each other?

Yes, federation is standard on all XMPP servers.

https://joinjabber.org/ has a handful of recommendations, and if you're curious about features supported by a specific server, check out https://compliance.conversations.im/ to view that information.

Re: Telegram is about to be blocked here in Brazil

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Post by DoItToMe81 »

notepalf wrote: post #36
mixedCase wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you couldn't if you want to ever reach any reasonable threshold of adoption. Most people don't care in the slightest, if they even know about, for federation. They want emojis, and being able to video call grandson. I'd argue stories has been turning into a requirement as well. The WhatsApp feature set. Then you have a lot of people who want the Discord feature set. Any missing feature and "this sucks let's go to…

I don't use XMPP since the Google talk era, how are the available servers nowadays? Does they support federation, meaning that users from different servers can talk to each other?

I use it on and off to participate in a few small communities. It can sometimes be frustrating to find a server with the right setup for the clients I like to use, but when I finally do, I have no problems. I have only seen one non-federated server.

I can't speak for the backend, because I've never hosted a server myself, but I find the good XMPP clients to have many more features and to be much more performant than the good Matrix ones.

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