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Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)
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Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)
#72Sometime back UberEats switched from a hamburger to a sausage menu for the restaurant’s menu categories and I really feel the experience is worse overall for it. While I suppose it’s now more obvious that the categories are there, it’s way less usable trying to scroll left and right to see them compared to before where you scrolled up and down the old vertical hamburger menu. On a related note, it’s incredible to me…
Uber A/B tests everything extensively before it gets rolled out to everyone. They would not have switched away from the hamburger menu unless it drove better metrics. I used to work there.
Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s anecdotal, but my mother who "grew up" on DOS and Windows was never able to grasp the relationship between the top menu bar and the application window on MacOS. I bought her a Mac in 2010 because they are supposedly more intuitive and I didn’t want to provide PC support anymore, but it was no better than Windows for her at all (also not worse overall I guess).
I spent years thinking they [EDIT: Apple's always-top-of-screen application menus, that is] were dumb for that reason. It never occurred to me that major software vendors would be stupid and/or user-hating enough to ditch the standard top menu, when they have a whole bunch of stuff that should go in it.
The top menu made sense when computer screens were small and the mouse pointer thus never far away from the top, and applications were fullscreen most of the time anyway.
Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)
#74Clear menus that aren't hidden away are great, but a significant problem with horizontal 'sausage' menus is that it isn't obvious that you can scroll, especially on Apple devices that hide scrollbars. The article mentions this as a bit of an after-thought ("Without proper fade / cut off visual cues, users may not understand they can scroll") but it's the key reason why you should avoid them. To demonstrate, I've fork…
Yeah it took me several minutes to figure out how to scroll on a macbook because there is no visible scrollsbar, to hit right arrow, and then the scroll bar appeared. I couldn't click and drag it.
Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Horizontal scrolling isn't that bad on mobile devices. I wouldn't want to scroll one of these on desktop but it's so simple to just, flick through it with my finger on a phone. Just put it behind a media query when your desktop-sized nav bar gets too big?
Strong disagree. Horizontal scrolling ~= bad UX.
It's not bad UX per se (I love it for certain mobile uses), but it's bad to make an assumption that horizontal scrolling is always available.
Similarly, it's bad to assume that everyone is always using a keyboard and mouse (a frustration I encounter in Desktop environment communities (e.g. Gnome / Linux) in gesturing that some use tablet PCs).
Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)
#76When designing medium to large sized menu navigations on the mobile web the default go-to, for some time now, has been hamburger menus. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing Tell it to the many people who have no idea what it means on a mobile device, or increasingly on desktop websites. I've said it many times before, but it's worth repeating: Most people are frustrated by modern information tools. According to a 2015…
> I like the sausage link concept because it clearly labels options with text. 100%. I'm kinda surprised how the 3 lines hamburger menu got so prevalent in the first place, because it always user tests poorly. My guess is that when flat minimalism (my favorite shitty example of this is when Android expected everyone to know what a flat square, circle and triangle are supposed to mean) was the rage, even though user t…
> Problem is, years later, tons of people still don't know what it means
This is a problem which could get solved if every mainstream media presents this icon for 30 seconds with a short explanation for one week during the main news hour. Or every newspaper would dedicate 1/4 of a page to it for one week.
Viewers educated, problem solved. Make an exception for such an important icon.
I personally find the sausage link horrible. I have to scroll by picking the scroll bar with the mouse because the scroll wheel is not working in the demo, and it's anything but a compact display of information, unlike what you get with a drop-down popup menu.
Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)
#77I really hate those menus, didn’t know their names but thank you for telling me, now I can hate something by name
Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)
#78When designing medium to large sized menu navigations on the mobile web the default go-to, for some time now, has been hamburger menus. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing Tell it to the many people who have no idea what it means on a mobile device, or increasingly on desktop websites. I've said it many times before, but it's worth repeating: Most people are frustrated by modern information tools. According to a 2015…
The problem isn't the mechanics of the hamburger menu, it's that we use an icon to represent it. I've never seen a case where space was so scarce that the icon couldn't be replaced by the word "Menu."
Perhaps there is some issue with internationalization, but I've been to restaurants in 30+ countries, and "Menu" seems to be pretty universally-used word.
Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suspect many people reading this HN thread also serve as their family's tech support team. Every week I get calls or emails from my parents requesting help figuring out something that's not obvious from the UI, is accidentally triggered by users, deliberately activated (by the app) during a software update, or buried deep in some settings or submenu. This week's selection includes: - Turning off yet again the annoy…
The thing about modern software that infuriates me the most, watching my parents struggle with it, are the damned screen-takeover or focus-stealing on-launch notices, usually about some update they don't care about. They opened the thing to use it, not to read your changelog or marketing shit. Coupled with auto-updating, it confuses the absolute hell out of them, and the way modern design (and Android especially) mak…
> The thing about modern software that infuriates me the most, watching my parents struggle with it, are the damned screen-takeover or focus-stealing on-launch notices, usually about some update they don't care about.
I would bet in almost all cases, these can be directly attributed to the developer company's poorly devised career incentives. Behind every full-screen "OMG CHECK OUT WHAT'S NEW" takeover or notification-spam lies a product manager or engineering manager whose bonus is tied to some vanity measurement of how many users are engaging with the new feature they launched. "How much of the user's attention and screen space can I take over in order to try to jam this unwanted feature down their throat and show huge usage numbers next performance review?"
Re: Using hamburger menus? Try sausage links (2019)
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s anecdotal, but my mother who "grew up" on DOS and Windows was never able to grasp the relationship between the top menu bar and the application window on MacOS. I bought her a Mac in 2010 because they are supposedly more intuitive and I didn’t want to provide PC support anymore, but it was no better than Windows for her at all (also not worse overall I guess).
Another anecdote, my mom was essentially a lifelong Windows user. I would have to answer basic tech support questions for her several times a month. She's switched 80% of her use to an iPad and the rest to a Mac laptop, and I get a question about once a year. YMMV.
I ended up switching my parents to iPads as well, which was a huge improvement.