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5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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These details are wild, scary, and fascinating. Fascinating from the perspective of how easy it is for foreign governments on the other side of the world to try to scare the shit out of US citizens by hiring some scumbag PI for probably as little as $5k. > Beginning in September 2021, Lin hired a private investigator (the PI) in New York to disrupt the campaign of a Brooklyn resident currently running for U.S. Congre…

We should all reflect on why this story is getting so little coverage in contrast to the 'Russian interference' narrative of 2017.

1) it was just published today

2) successfully rigging a presidential election is more significant than attempting to influence a congressional primary

3) these people were caught and prosecuted by the federal government, Russian interference was encouraged by the POTUS in 2017 (post Jan 20)

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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A bad actor claiming reasonable motivation does not make the motivation unreasonable... Obviously you have to also be sincere (debatable in Russia's case) and correct (Russian claims are simply wrong).

Russian claims of an interest in controlling the government of Ukraine are at least as legitimate as US claims of an interest in controlling Korea, or Afghanistan.

Yes, but the salient distinction is that the US doesn’t want to control either place.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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And is the Ukrainean state actually fascist? How about Korea? In the absence of UN intervention, would there have arisen an authoritarian state that was a menace to not only its own citizens but every neighbouring country? Clearly Ukraine is not fascist and Korea would have been. There is a difference.

North Korea is fascist, but harmlessly so. Despite endless flexing and threat inflation, they haven't actually done much harm since invading the South 70 years ago. The main problem with fascism in Nazi Germany, Zionist Israel, and Banderite Ukraine is that these fascist states have overt policies of ethnic cleansing. IOW the "fascism" part isn't necessarily bad (unless you are a liberal chauvinist), it's the ethnic…

In what sense is NK’s fascism “harmless”? In the nuclear sense or in the oppression sense or something else?

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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very light slap on the wrist after murder of Jim Li https://queenseagle.com/all/2022/3/16/queens-atty-stabbed-to...

Did you misread the article? Says it happened two days ago (3/14/2022) and a murder charge is pending.

He probably meant to say the cases are related, the suspect of the linked murder case when leaving the Flushing 109th Precinct was yelling "You are Chinese, but you want to be anti-communist"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7MbXJyxMHQ

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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The Chinese "Spies" are not what you think of as Spies. They are Chinese foreign college students in Australia who report back to China if any of their classmates do something that the Chinese government would not approve of. They also steal information when they can and just basically tow the party line while overseas. They all do it because the government is paying for their education and they are proven loyal to C…

OK, but source? Australian population in 2016 born in China was ~500k. If you assume that the majority of this was happening within that population, if it's 50k "informants", that would mean it's 1 in every 10 people. If you further limited it to students, it would be even more than that. If this were actually known to be happening at such high frequency, I would expect that Australia would know about it & do somethi…

Chinese government threatens the family members still living in China: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/this-student-attende...

Students doxxed and harassed after protesting https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/04/we-ca...

The government doesn't do anything about it because Chinese students are a cash cow and every university in Australia as well as the property market would implode without that sweet cash

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Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…

> Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only?

Things are automated now. Nowadays while living in Germany, torrent some movies and stop paying TV license. Then observe what will happen. In society there are hordes of bored lawyers and sadists who eagerly harass for a fee. Given legal immunity and pervert sense of purpose, people simply like to be invasive and predatory.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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> Anonymous discovered that HBGary was conspiring with a law/lobbying firm known as Hunton and Williams to launch a highly sophisticated campaign to subvert and sabotage the enemies of their clients. In some cases these plans involved illegal actions. The targets were journalists, labor unions, and political opponents. > One client was Bank of America, who hired Hunton and Williams to launch a campaign against Wikile…

This implies Palantir has "technology", which I'm sure they would like you to think, but what they actually do is sell SQL queries as a service.

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Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…

There is a significant difference though. If foreign governments do it, you have a clear legal recourse. If your own government does it...

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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FBI COINTELPRO [0] and CIA Operation CHAOS [1] did way more than just sending some harassing mail to MLK [2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS [2] https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/7...

It's important to remember that this was in the past. The FBI, as well as every other three-letter-agency, are the good guys now, and they are totally ashamed of doing those things. They're definitely not doing anything like that anymore!

My satire detector soothed my anger at this comment. It is getting a lot of strain lately...

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Seems very odd that people are downvoting the comment I'm replying to: downvoters - why are you downvoting this? Do you think it's false? Or just don't like hearing about it?

I didn't downvote you, but often people get downvoted because they take the discussion off-topic. It's interesting to you that what the PRC is doing today reminds you of something the FBI did last century. But the discussion is still about the PRC, not the FBI. As you can see, your comment that is benign on the surface started a whole thread of off-topic comments, which bogs down the overall discussion and generates…

I think this is still very relevant to the discussion. Because spying is a profession in which behavior tends to degrade to the lowest common denominator, it makes criticism of such actions very hard if your own domestic agencies engage in similar behavior. The domestic populance can only influence domestic policies, so it would be even more prudent to set criticism in that direction.

Spying was excused as a necessity, so how would I condemn these actions in the first place? "Whataboutism" is an ethical argument but we are not talking about ethics in the context of spying at all.

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