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> It’s pretty easy to look at North Korea, Cambodia, or Eastern Europe during the Cold War and say “hmm, it’s worth going to extreme lengths to prevent this from happening elsewhere”. That may have been misguided in many instances, but the basic motivation is sound. Careful, this is literally Moscow's reason for its invasion of Ukraine -- to prevent the rise of a hostile fascist entity in its frontyard.
Except Ukraine isn't a "hostile fascist entity", and Putin knows that. Ukraine is (well, sadly, was ) in danger of becoming more democratically- and West-aligned, which Putin (irrationally, IMO) feared, but my take on it is that he's really motivated mostly by fallen-empire envy. (Granted, that's just my opinion; I don't know what Putin is actually thinking.)
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Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Stasi term for this was Zersetzung: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung
You may want to dig into gangstalking as a cultural phenomenon before you legitimize it with that equivalency. This is not cherry-picked; I just went to the subreddit and found a relatively recent post: https://old.reddit.com/r/Gangstalking/comments/tf2xd0/they_a... . (Spoilers: the number of people in amphetamine psychosis is several orders of magnitude larger than the number of victims of targeted government harass…
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't whatever you do go here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gangstalking/
I tried to go there, but I was directed to install the app and there was no option to continue browsing on the web. Reddit dark patterns have come to a point where they are literally disabling the web frontend for mobile users?
Edit: old.reddit.com/r/gangstalking
Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police
#164Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…
People often read these types of articles and think "this can't be right." Without researching the topic they cannot fathom a government would do such a thing. The CCP's "United Front" organization sponsors many of these actions.
However, the fact these things occur is very open source, well published (including in the CCP's 5-year plans), and verified in many academic settings. You just have to read some researched documents or books (if interested, I can recommend plenty), and not rely on your own intuition based on living in a Western society of what the PRC would do. They are taking advantage of democratic principles and using them against us.
The media does not heavily report on it due to the clear externality of spurring, or appearing to support, xenophobia against Chinese citizens. However, everything I read intentionally takes the time to point out that their issue is with the CCP and not the Chinese people, as most authors lived in China and love the Chinese culture. We can point out wrongdoing by the CCP without extending those views towards the Chinese people who live under the one party system.
Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police
#165These details are wild, scary, and fascinating. Fascinating from the perspective of how easy it is for foreign governments on the other side of the world to try to scare the shit out of US citizens by hiring some scumbag PI for probably as little as $5k. > Beginning in September 2021, Lin hired a private investigator (the PI) in New York to disrupt the campaign of a Brooklyn resident currently running for U.S. Congre…
Organised and pro criminal are not dumb. They know what brings the heat.
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US killed millions of people in North Korea, and was also largely responsible for the Khmer Rouge taking power in Cambodia in the first place.
Can you explain further? "In the 1970s, the Khmer Rouge were largely supported and funded by the Chinese Communist Party, receiving approval from Mao Zedong; it is estimated that at least 90% of the foreign aid which was provided to the Khmer Rouge came from China." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge
> In 1970, the United States had orchestrated a coup to oust Prince Sihanouk, and installed Lon Nol, a general who was supposed to be Cambodia’s Suharto. His forces trained in Bandung, not far from the site of Sukarno’s 1955 Afro-Asian Conference. During Lon Nol’s rule the United States continued to bomb the country indiscriminately, killing hundreds of thousands of people, mostly peasants, in a futile attempt to stop Vietnamese communists from moving through the countryside. The United States dropped three times the tonnage on Cambodia that fell on Japan during World War II, atom bombs included.
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> The disregard for life was staggering, and well understood in Southeast Asia. Traumatized refugees flooded Cambodia’s cities. After the US-backed coup that deposed him, the ousted prince, Sihanouk, published a book of memoirs titled My War with the CIA. “We refused to become US puppets, or join in the anti-communist crusade,” he wrote. “That was our crime.” He threw his support behind the small, shadowy, and strange group of Marxists he had repressed while in power. The Khmer Rouge, as he called them in the old colonial language, were the only ones fighting against Lon Nol and the US Army, which was wiping out entire swathes of the population.
Pol Pot was convinced of the necessity of armed struggle by the annihilation of the PKI in Indonesia. There ~1 million people were killed with the encouragement of the US and Britain, who supplied arms, kill lists, and promises of economic development.
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> In a “historical lessons” document composed in early 1977, Pol Pot looked back on the 1966 period as follows: “If our analysis had failed, we would have been in greater danger than [were the communists] in Indonesia. But our analysis was victorious, because our analysis was agreed upon, because most of our cadres were in life-and-death contradiction with the enemy; the enemy sought to exterminate them constantly.”
After Vietnam invaded Cambodia and put a stop to the Khmer Rouge's Killing Fields:
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> The United States chose to recognize the remnants of the Khmer Rouge at the United Nations, keeping its tiny regime alive, and refusing to recognize the Vietnamese-allied government. This would last for years. Partly, it was a way to appease Carter’s new ally in Beijing. But Benny knew that it was something else too. “They hated Vietnam too much,” Benny said. “They couldn’t forgive them for winning the war.”
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> And to insure that Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge would fight the Vietnamese occupiers, the Carter Administration helped arrange continued Chinese aid.
> "I encourage the Chinese to support Pol Pot," said Zbigniew Brzezinski, the national security adviser at the time. "The question was how to help the Cambodian people. Pol Pot was an abomination. We could never support him, but China could."
> At the United Nations, the United States, along with most countries of Europe and Asia, gave the Cambodia seat to the Khmer Rouge Government by itself and, after 1983, in coalition with other anti-Vietnamese Cambodian groups.
> All attempts even to describe the Khmer Rouge regime as genocidal were rejected by the United States as counterproductive to finding peace. Only in 1989, with the beginning of the Paris peace process, was the word genocide spoken in reference to a regime responsible for the deaths of more than a million people.
[1][2][3] - The Jakarta Method, chapters 2, 4, and 10 (also contains more detailed sources)
[4] - https://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/17/world/death-of-pol-pot-th...
Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police
#167Australia a country with a smaller population than Texas has about 50,000 Chinese "spies". They are not James Bond-type spies but informants on other Chinese in Australia. In East Germany, one in five people were informants for the Communists. Canada would have a similar number as well.
Do you have a source for that? Sounds too high to be plausible. With a population of around 25 million, that would mean that 1 out of every 500 people would be an informant.
Imagine you're a lonely Chinese student in Australia and you meet a wealthy and successful fellow countryman. After a while he asks how you're doing considering the "anti-Chinese" attitudes in Australia. "What's the situation like on campus?".
If that information makes it back to the Chinese gov't, well, you're now a part of an informant network.
Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police
#168Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Anonymous discovered that HBGary was conspiring with a law/lobbying firm known as Hunton and Williams to launch a highly sophisticated campaign to subvert and sabotage the enemies of their clients. In some cases these plans involved illegal actions. The targets were journalists, labor unions, and political opponents. > One client was Bank of America, who hired Hunton and Williams to launch a campaign against Wikile…
This implies Palantir has "technology", which I'm sure they would like you to think, but what they actually do is sell SQL queries as a service.
Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
A certain Middle Eastern nation has infiltrated the US government far more successfully than China could ever dream of, and they barely hide it.
Could you clarify which nation you’re thinking of, here?
It's not that Israel has infiltrated America but instead the fact that American politician do not expect to be electable unless they behave as a "friend to Israel" given certain jewish and christian communities are willing to campaign against politicians on this issue.
This means the Israeli representatives can even come to the U.S. and act like belligerent a-holes and the politicians have to put up with it to win elections.
If the poster was really suggesting infiltration rather than being sarcastic I would assume they are perhaps trading in antisemitic conspiracy theories.