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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by tga_d »

rudimental wrote: post #724
ashwagary wrote: post #690

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But is it really so different if we replace race with religion? They aren't completely replacing race with religion, many Palestinians are black and my understanding is Israel is quite racist towards its black Jewish population as well. European Settler colonialism has historically been quite racist.

How many and what % of Palestinians are black? How many and what % of Israelis are black? By black do you mean having darker skin tones? If so, many Jewish Israelis are black - as are many Palestinians - and not just those that came to Israel from Ethiopia. Also, many Israelis are white (as in light skinned) as are many Palestinians. The average Israeli is Mizrahi (of North African / Middle Eastern origin).

I'm not sure why you think any of this is relevant to the point being made, but since you seem to be actually ignorant of the matter: blackness is a racial identifier, not a matter of skin tone. Skin tone is certainly part of racialization, but regardless of how dark or light someone's skin is, they may or may not be racialized as black, and therefore may or may not be subject to anti-black racism.

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Post by danhab99 »

cs702 wrote: post #190

Here's an interesting exercise: 1. Substitute "Israel's Knesset" for ANY other legislative body anywhere. 2. Substitute "Palestinian" for ANY other nationality, ethnicity, race, sexual orientation, or other adjective describing a group to which YOU belong. 3. See if you like how it feels: "[Legislative body] passes law barring spouses who are [like you] from becoming citizens."

> 2. Substitute "Palestinian" for ANY other nationality, ethnicity, race, sexual orientation, or other adjective describing a group to which YOU belong.

Well they're not just any other "nationality, ethnicity, race, sexual orientation, or other adjective". They started their movement and created their identity for a specific reason. I kinda feel like we should look into the reason for their identity and factor that into how we look at this law.

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Post by weatherlite »

simiones wrote: post #729
weatherlite wrote: post #697

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> If the Jews of the world had sought a sanctuary, a much more appropriate deal would have been to carve out a piece of defeated Germany to create a Jewish state Of course this was never offered, and it would have been too late anyway - since 6 million Jews have already been slaughtered and since Jews where already very close to their own statehood in Palestine. Also - sounds pretty morbid to me to found the Jewish s…

> Also - sounds pretty morbid to me to found the Jewish state near Berlin in 1947, I'm not sure all the Jewish refugees would have been super thrilled to go back to the old neighbors know what I mean? And yet other victims of the holocaust did just that. The move to create a Jewish state in Palestine was primarily led by Jewish fundamentalists who wanted to return to their God-given promised land, it was not a necess…

> The move to create a Jewish state in Palestine was primarily led by Jewish fundamentalists who wanted to return to their God-given promised land

Most founders of Zionism were secular/atheists. Theodor Hertzel, Jabotinsky, Weizmann. Most of them were definitely not fundamentalists of Judaism that's igonrance.

> it was not a necessity by any measure (as proved by other victims of the German Holocaust)

Nothing is a necessity. Jews could have indeed done nothing and not even try to escape the holocaust (most of them did just that in fact). I'm still not sure what point you're making. No nation is a necessity, life itself isn't a necessity.

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Post by ashwagary »

ashwagary wrote: post #667
ychnd wrote: post #665

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I'm new here, how do I report pro-war apologists?

Not pro-war, it's called history repeating itself.

Also you created that account in 2016 and only have one comment, this one. That's a major red flag.

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Post by wbsss4412 »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #719
wbsss4412 wrote: post #579

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I’m not sure why you’re using Dhimmi as if it’s a trump card in this argument. It explicitly granted legal protections for non Muslims. Compared to its contemporaries under Christian rule in Europe, the Muslim world was quite progressive in that respect. You can observe the difference as it played out in Christian Spain after the reconquista.

Ok, so would you get in the time machine to go back and become a dhimmi? Why should we have liked on purely comparative grounds?

Because that’s the context of the conversation?
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