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5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worth noting that if you actually ARE being tailed by an organized and well-resourced group, they will frequently use a team of people to do so, time and circumstances permitting.

This is probably why it's very hard to help someone who is under legitimately delusional feelings of gang stalking, because those who legitimately are and those who are delusional are likely to look the same to outsiders, and will always be considered delusional. If a person is suffering from strong enough paranoia to classify themselves as a "targeted individual", then they've probably walked through the scenario th…

I feel similarly about describing political aspirants as narcissistic or sociopathic based on their "delusions of grandeur" – what about when they actually become president? Not so delusional anymore, I guess? It calls into question the validity of such a diagnosis in the first place, as anything more than a measurement of deviance from some arbitrary and counterfactually ambiguous statistical mean. It's almost as if the entire field of psychiatry harbors delusions of grandeur...

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…

My parents were US diplomats stationed in Moscow in the 50's. The KGB would do things like disable the elevator in their apartment block just as they got home, only to turn it back on the moment they finished walking up to the top floor. Leave music playing in a next door apartment juuust loud enough to be disruptive. Block traffic on a certain street to cause my father to be late to an important meeting with his Soviet counterpart. The list of petty harassment would be pages long if I enumerated everything.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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post #31

Anyone else curious about the ages of the defendants? 59, 73 and 62 years old respectively. Is it harder for the PRC to recruit younger "spies" or are older ones just more reliable?

Older ones are likely more susceptible to bribe/pay the closer they are to retirement if they're not financially secure.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

#124

Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…

That reminds me of COINTELPRO, and how the FBI tried to get MLK to commit suicide by sending him a harassing black mailing letter. It's amazing how states particularly when they have apparatuses that can go rouge or are even actually encouraged by the government like the Stasi were go to ridiculous lengths to harass people they find politically inconvenient.

traditional CCP USA what-about-isms

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of COINTELPRO, and how the FBI tried to get MLK to commit suicide by sending him a harassing black mailing letter. It's amazing how states particularly when they have apparatuses that can go rouge or are even actually encouraged by the government like the Stasi were go to ridiculous lengths to harass people they find politically inconvenient.

traditional CCP USA what-about-isms

What-about-ism: What you are saying is wrong because your side does it too

Not what-about-ism: You are right! And here is another example in support of your point!

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

#126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of COINTELPRO, and how the FBI tried to get MLK to commit suicide by sending him a harassing black mailing letter. It's amazing how states particularly when they have apparatuses that can go rouge or are even actually encouraged by the government like the Stasi were go to ridiculous lengths to harass people they find politically inconvenient.

traditional CCP USA what-about-isms

no. closer to the traditional improv "yes and". both examples bolster OP's point

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is probably why it's very hard to help someone who is under legitimately delusional feelings of gang stalking, because those who legitimately are and those who are delusional are likely to look the same to outsiders, and will always be considered delusional. If a person is suffering from strong enough paranoia to classify themselves as a "targeted individual", then they've probably walked through the scenario th…

I feel similarly about describing political aspirants as narcissistic or sociopathic based on their "delusions of grandeur" – what about when they actually become president? Not so delusional anymore, I guess? It calls into question the validity of such a diagnosis in the first place, as anything more than a measurement of deviance from some arbitrary and counterfactually ambiguous statistical mean. It's almost as if…

"delusions of grandeur" can mean many things. Someone who thinks they’re a genius and wins a popularity contest is not now provably a genius.

Someone who believes themselves to be the fastest athlete is not so when their opponent falls down and they win the race.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you clarify which nation you’re thinking of, here?

Not gp but they are most certainly talking about Saudi Arabia.

I wouldn't think it's that one. They definitely have huge influence, but the country that I think of as having actually infiltrated the US government is a different one in that part of the world.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

#129
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of Gang stalking[0]. It always seems to happen to people who present themselves as generally not very mentally healthy, but sometimes you have to wonder. If you were the very unlucky target of some deniable, organized harassment effort, it would certainly take its toll on your mental health. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_stalking

Don't whatever you do go here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gangstalking/

I tried to go there, but I was directed to install the app and there was no option to continue browsing on the web. Reddit dark patterns have come to a point where they are literally disabling the web frontend for mobile users?
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