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5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Post by noobermin »

mistrial9 wrote: post #25
noobermin wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of COINTELPRO, and how the FBI tried to get MLK to commit suicide by sending him a harassing black mailing letter. It's amazing how states particularly when they have apparatuses that can go rouge or are even actually encouraged by the government like the Stasi were go to ridiculous lengths to harass people they find politically inconvenient.

that is true, but that was more than fifty years ago..

The stasi story was also ~30 years ago too. The point isn't a story of who's bad more than it is a story of unchecked political power. That was my point, not a "we do it too so TFA isn't bad." No, it's bad when any state does it.

I think one difference is we did have the Church commission so at least there is some amount of accountability although it could have been better whilst in PRC there will be no such inquiry into these sorts of things.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Post by robotnikman »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #74
qwertyuiop_ wrote: post #6

No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. Covert: Inflitrate US Congress for potential blackmail - https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2df... Infitration of US Higher Ed & Supression - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/16/how-china... Siphon off entire US Government personnel information, Probably to match it against Grindr…

The US was doing the same thing for years, cultivating CCP agents from early in their careers and even paying the bribes they needed to rise in the hierarchy. This was supposedly caught when the CIA's information sharing network got busted in China and dozens of agents were killed.[1] [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spie...

I wonder if this means the tables have turned since then...

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Post by kingcharles »

daenz wrote: post #8
philovivero wrote: post #4

Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…

Reminds me of Gang stalking[0]. It always seems to happen to people who present themselves as generally not very mentally healthy, but sometimes you have to wonder. If you were the very unlucky target of some deniable, organized harassment effort, it would certainly take its toll on your mental health. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_stalking

Don't whatever you do go here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gangstalking/

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Post by kingcharles »

vmception wrote: post #69
brailsafe wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

relevant Onion https://youtu.be/FzoXQKumgCw

tangentially relevant Onion https://www.theonion.com/police-flip-through-unsolved-crimes...

Damn. I was in jail with a lot of very mentally sick people, and this hits too close to home!

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Post by sgjohnson »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #72
mistrial9 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that is true, but that was more than fifty years ago..

Sure FBI/CIA/NSA did nasty things in tbhe 40's/50s/60s/70s/80s/80s, but now it's totally different!

and the 90s (Contras)

and 00s/10s (https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/mar/14/cia-black-site-d...)

But they SURELY have changed in 2020s!

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Post by colpabar »

freeflight wrote: post #56
noobermin wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of COINTELPRO, and how the FBI tried to get MLK to commit suicide by sending him a harassing black mailing letter. It's amazing how states particularly when they have apparatuses that can go rouge or are even actually encouraged by the government like the Stasi were go to ridiculous lengths to harass people they find politically inconvenient.

FBI COINTELPRO [0] and CIA Operation CHAOS [1] did way more than just sending some harassing mail to MLK [2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS [2] https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/7...

It's important to remember that this was in the past. The FBI, as well as every other three-letter-agency, are the good guys now, and they are totally ashamed of doing those things. They're definitely not doing anything like that anymore!

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Post by andrewzah »

alliao wrote: post #32

very light slap on the wrist after murder of Jim Li https://queenseagle.com/all/2022/3/16/queens-atty-stabbed-to...

Did you misread the article? Says it happened two days ago (3/14/2022) and a murder charge is pending.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Post by kingcharles »

qwertyuiop_ wrote: post #6

No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. Covert: Inflitrate US Congress for potential blackmail - https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2df... Infitration of US Higher Ed & Supression - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/16/how-china... Siphon off entire US Government personnel information, Probably to match it against Grindr…

Read the news for any length of time and it is clear the US and Israelis are top of the game in this.

Just the sheer level of intel coming out of Russia over the last decade would lead anyone to believe that half of the Kremlin is on America's payroll.

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