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5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Australia a country with a smaller population than Texas has about 50,000 Chinese "spies". They are not James Bond-type spies but informants on other Chinese in Australia. In East Germany, one in five people were informants for the Communists. Canada would have a similar number as well.

Good thing then how the US has over 300 million voluntary "counter spies" [0]

[0] https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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That reminds me of COINTELPRO, and how the FBI tried to get MLK to commit suicide by sending him a harassing black mailing letter. It's amazing how states particularly when they have apparatuses that can go rouge or are even actually encouraged by the government like the Stasi were go to ridiculous lengths to harass people they find politically inconvenient.

that is true, but that was more than fifty years ago..

Sure FBI/CIA/NSA did nasty things in tbhe 40's/50s/60s/70s/80s/80s, but now it's totally different!

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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> No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. CCP might be good at this, but this is just laughably wrong. They certainly haven't overthrown anywhere close to as many governments as Washington has since WW2.

They haven’t been a superpower for nearly as long as the US has been, and it didn’t overlap with the zenith of “overthrowing governments as the means to foreign policy”. Moreover, it’s easy to criticize Cold War eta interventions when the stakes were very high, but there’s much less justification for “peacetime repression”. Further still, “overthrowing governments” isn’t the only way to measure meddling and repressio…

> Moreover, it’s easy to criticize Cold War eta interventions when the stakes were very high

Were they, though? Which nation was primarily responsible for escalation of tensions during that time? And for whom were the stakes high enough to justify overthrowing democratic governments in favor of brutal dictators?

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. Covert: Inflitrate US Congress for potential blackmail - https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2df... Infitration of US Higher Ed & Supression - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/16/how-china... Siphon off entire US Government personnel information, Probably to match it against Grindr…

The US was doing the same thing for years, cultivating CCP agents from early in their careers and even paying the bribes they needed to rise in the hierarchy. This was supposedly caught when the CIA's information sharing network got busted in China and dozens of agents were killed.[1]

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spie...

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. Covert: Inflitrate US Congress for potential blackmail - https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2df... Infitration of US Higher Ed & Supression - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/16/how-china... Siphon off entire US Government personnel information, Probably to match it against Grindr…

A certain Middle Eastern nation has infiltrated the US government far more successfully than China could ever dream of, and they barely hide it.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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post #39

Australia a country with a smaller population than Texas has about 50,000 Chinese "spies". They are not James Bond-type spies but informants on other Chinese in Australia. In East Germany, one in five people were informants for the Communists. Canada would have a similar number as well.

Do you have a source for that? Sounds too high to be plausible. With a population of around 25 million, that would mean that 1 out of every 500 people would be an informant.

The Chinese "Spies" are not what you think of as Spies. They are Chinese foreign college students in Australia who report back to China if any of their classmates do something that the Chinese government would not approve of. They also steal information when they can and just basically tow the party line while overseas. They all do it because the government is paying for their education and they are proven loyal to CCCP (That's why the government pays for their education overseas).

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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post #60

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Yes, I noticed that too. Seems like they're tapping older people with connections and resources. I imagine there's going to be more younger gen assets to tap in future, a lot more nationalist PRC diaspora in west now vs older gen who fled PRC/China when it was a shitshow.

I've been surprised how nationalist some older Chinese expats are. In particular, I found some older HKers were very pro PRC. This was all before the Umbrella Movement. I put it down to becoming more conservative as you age (anecdotal evidence).

My feeling is older Chinese diaspora comes in roughly two flavours, dissidents who still see PRC as politically repressive shithole (fair) or economic migrants who left broke China but are now proud of rich China. I think folks intuitively group Chinese diaspora together with ex Soviet State diaspora, people who fled failing communism states that remain stagnant. But modern China is more "new country" than "old country". Combine with influence of pro PRC media ecosystem = resurging nationalism.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…

> Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only?

Political gain often means more wealth and power for those involved, and I think we all know the great lengths people will go to for both of those things. Not defending China, but harassing and stalking is fairly tame compared to things like assassinating journalists and starting wars.

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