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Re: Masks on planes requirement dropped by some UK airlines

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Post by brigandish »

traceroute66 wrote: post #29
bigDinosaur wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I live one is still required to present what amounts to an internal passport to do pretty much anything, despite not having any medical justification. Certainly some things have been normalised which never should have been normalised.

> Where I live one is still required to present what amounts to an internal passport to do pretty much anything, despite not having any medical justification. Except the UK is an a joke in relation to vaccine passports. The politicians spout "authoritarian" "libertarian" bullshit as an excuse for not using vaccine passports. But then THE VERY SAME GOVERNMENT is very happy indeed to introduce a requirement for people…

There are situations when it is appropriate to confirm one's identity. Going to the supermarket isn't one, and comparing it to voting - or any of the other situations vaccine passports were to be required - is a nonsense.

I can agree with some of the other concerns you've listed, but if you're going to mix them in with reasonable actions by the government like protecting the integrity of elections, I wouldn't be surprised if those other concerns are undermined.

Re: Masks on planes requirement dropped by some UK airlines

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Post by brigandish »

Reason077 wrote: post #41
jl6 wrote: post #30

Covid appears to be “done” in the UK. Not that the virus is gone, just that there now seems to be widespread acceptance of its health impact, and a strong desire to move on without any restrictions on normal life.

My theory is that there can be only one crisis at a time in this country. Brexit gave way to Covid, and for 18 months or so that was the only story in the news. But now, there’s a frigging war going on in Europe, so Covid might as well not exist anymore.

Can be only one and must be at least one would seem to describe the news very well.

Re: Masks on planes requirement dropped by some UK airlines

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Post by thinkingemote »

hihihihi1234 wrote: post #57
PaulKeeble wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were quite a few protests in the UK last year against the lockdowns, despite the fact there was no lockdown at the time or planned (nor did it happen) in the future. Quite a few cults seem to go past their doomsday date and simply choose another into the future. They just carry on as if the lack of the event never happened.

Have people already forgotten how much pressure the government was under in December to lock us down again? SAGE were predicting 6000 deaths a day, as if their modelling hadn't already been discredited ten times over, and all the usual suspects in the media and the Labour Party were screaming for more restrictions. If it hadn't been for partygate, the backbench Tory rebellion, and massive public resistance in the for…

About the NHS. I also thought that healthcare workers would most understand be behind vaccines. However an employment expert told me that healthcare workers are basically low paid workers, often from minority backgrounds, the exact same demographic that are vaccine hesitant. The vast majority of NHS staff are not doctors.

It was, therefore a class / social / demographic issue, but there is indeed crossover with the foreign healthcare worker but its on that class rather than where they come from.

I think (but I didnt discuss it with the expert) that the doctors themselves were on the whole opposed to compulsory mandates for ethical reasons. E.g. first do no harm extends to respecting a persons conscience.

Re: Masks on planes requirement dropped by some UK airlines

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Post by chrismatheson »

tomerv wrote: post #14

Shame, I actually liked the idea of mandatory masks on public transportation. I always get sick on flights (pre-COVID; I haven't flown since COVID started) and it's really annoying to have a runny nose while on vacation. I'm sure I catch it in the airport or on the plane, because it always starts 1-2 after the flight.

Nothing stopping you wearing one on your own :) could help reduce the probability of getting sick.

Re: Masks on planes requirement dropped by some UK airlines

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Post by mbg721 »

thinkingemote wrote: post #63
hihihihi1234 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have people already forgotten how much pressure the government was under in December to lock us down again? SAGE were predicting 6000 deaths a day, as if their modelling hadn't already been discredited ten times over, and all the usual suspects in the media and the Labour Party were screaming for more restrictions. If it hadn't been for partygate, the backbench Tory rebellion, and massive public resistance in the for…

About the NHS. I also thought that healthcare workers would most understand be behind vaccines. However an employment expert told me that healthcare workers are basically low paid workers, often from minority backgrounds, the exact same demographic that are vaccine hesitant. The vast majority of NHS staff are not doctors. It was, therefore a class / social / demographic issue, but there is indeed crossover with the f…

Another possibility is that healthcare workers see how the sausage is made and have less faith in medical advice in general than the average citizen does.

Re: Masks on planes requirement dropped by some UK airlines

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Post by hihihihi1234 »

thinkingemote wrote: post #63
hihihihi1234 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have people already forgotten how much pressure the government was under in December to lock us down again? SAGE were predicting 6000 deaths a day, as if their modelling hadn't already been discredited ten times over, and all the usual suspects in the media and the Labour Party were screaming for more restrictions. If it hadn't been for partygate, the backbench Tory rebellion, and massive public resistance in the for…

About the NHS. I also thought that healthcare workers would most understand be behind vaccines. However an employment expert told me that healthcare workers are basically low paid workers, often from minority backgrounds, the exact same demographic that are vaccine hesitant. The vast majority of NHS staff are not doctors. It was, therefore a class / social / demographic issue, but there is indeed crossover with the f…

Yeah I've wondered the same thing. I don't have the statistics in front of me but I'm pretty sure that the unvaccinated are on average poorer, browner and more working class than the vaccinated. Which is to say that the same people who don't trust the jabs are generally the same people who have longstanding reasons to distrust a wider society that's weighted against them.

It's easy for me, as an affluent middle-class white guy, to say "shut up and do what you're told because the experts know best" - but on some level I really can't blame people from less advantaged demographics for being so distrustful of the "experts". After all, it's not like the governments and corporations pushing these vaccines have always worked in the working class's favour in the past.

To be clear, I believe that the vaccines are safe and effective and that everyone should get jabbed. But I can't help but feel like all this demonisation of the unvaccinated is driven at least partly by good old fashioned snobbery and class hatred. "How dare these lower class inferiors not do as we say? Why can't they be smart and sensible like us, the wealthy enlightened?"

Re: Masks on planes requirement dropped by some UK airlines

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Post by hihihihi1234 »

mbg721 wrote: post #65
thinkingemote wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About the NHS. I also thought that healthcare workers would most understand be behind vaccines. However an employment expert told me that healthcare workers are basically low paid workers, often from minority backgrounds, the exact same demographic that are vaccine hesitant. The vast majority of NHS staff are not doctors. It was, therefore a class / social / demographic issue, but there is indeed crossover with the f…

Another possibility is that healthcare workers see how the sausage is made and have less faith in medical advice in general than the average citizen does.

Well as a programmer I've seen how the sausage is made in the tech industry, and thus have less faith in the security and reliability of software than the average citizen does. So what you say could make sense.

Re: Masks on planes requirement dropped by some UK airlines

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

dustinmoris wrote: post #34
involans wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to eat during the flight, or you can delay eating to be out of phase. I've done that and so far it's been effective over a number of transatlantic flights.

> You don't have to eat during the flight In theory you don't have to do anything mate. Just lie down in a coffin at home, shut the door and I bet you you won't catch COVID or any other mild respiratory illness. If to you the meaning of life is to get born, not catch COVID under any ridiculous circumstances and then die then this is a dead sure way of achieving your dreams! I rather live life, take risks, feel my hea…

Well put.

The conservative (true sense of the word) position on this is so frustrating to communicate, because those who want to keep these sorts of policies and patterns are so often coming from people with a risk tolerance profile that I genuinely can’t understand or relate to.

Re: Masks on planes requirement dropped by some UK airlines

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

hsshjshshs wrote: post #6
culopatin wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In reality I all a bit of a theatre. If you believe in the mask effectiveness, you’ll get it when everyone takes their mask off at the same time to eat every time they hand off something. Almost no one wears an n95 for long flights and most people will wear the mask as poorly as they can anyway. Edit: just to clarify, I don’t have anything against anyone who believes in the mask effectiveness and wants to wear it. Bu…

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Your postscript has so business on this forum.

You are blatantly projecting your own beliefs on to others, and assuming anyone who doesn’t align is an idiot. That is backwards, childish reasoning, and I bet you don’t usually resort to that type of thing. Why in this case?

Re: Masks on planes requirement dropped by some UK airlines

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Post by skinnymuch »

brigandish wrote: post #61
traceroute66 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where I live one is still required to present what amounts to an internal passport to do pretty much anything, despite not having any medical justification. Except the UK is an a joke in relation to vaccine passports. The politicians spout "authoritarian" "libertarian" bullshit as an excuse for not using vaccine passports. But then THE VERY SAME GOVERNMENT is very happy indeed to introduce a requirement for people…

There are situations when it is appropriate to confirm one's identity. Going to the supermarket isn't one, and comparing it to voting - or any of the other situations vaccine passports were to be required - is a nonsense. I can agree with some of the other concerns you've listed, but if you're going to mix them in with reasonable actions by the government like protecting the integrity of elections , I wouldn't be sur…

Protecting the integrity of elections that have all been shown to have very little fraud? Mass fraud without IDs being something of a pipe dream. That doesn’t make much sense.
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