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> "People go up and above for Ukraine because they're that neighbour" Where do you draw the line on "neighbor"? Why Ukraine but not Syria?
Being on the same continent is a very basic minimum requirement which Syria doesn’t pass.
A lot of comments here about racism against Muslim refugees and the lack of racism against Ukrainian refugees. We are only three weeks into this war and refugee crisis. The far-right here in Western Europe have not yet had time to come up with reasons to hate Ukrainian refugees. The far-right is actually busy defending Putin's invasion and spreading pro-Russian and anti-Ukrainian propaganda. It is only a question of…
That's not entirely true. Polish Far Right has been fired up against the Ukrainians for some time (I mean, it's always just a matter of time and foreignness), just aren't getting any traction. The key sticking point, and at peacetime possibly quite serious, is the Volhynia massacre [1]. I won't go into details, and context is very important as it wasn't unprovoked, but it was a terrible massacre of Poles by Ukrainian…
No matter how provoked ethnic cleansing is never a good response.
There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…
And it's probably a good idea if we collectively work towards eventually eliminating those biases.
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That's an interesting whataboutist take. I would mostly agree, but: - fleeing your home country because its inhabitants (including yourself) have let it go to shits and you have a choice between keeping on tolerating what has been always there or just NOW deciding to flee vs. - fleeing your home country which for the last few years has started going to the right direction, has hope of becoming part of a much more wel…
Russians in Russia don't have a choice, please stop implying that Russian elections are either fair or of any consequence. People on the internet love to throw around the idea that citizens of oppressive regimes have a say in the direction or actions of that regime. Neither Russian nor Chinese nor North Korean nor Iranian citizens have any say in what their respective governments do.
Each country has the leadership it tolerates (or deserves, I guess). It is of course very hard to depose an entrenched rul(er|ing class), but not impossible. I'm not even demanding you do so, it makes sense to my mind that you would choose flight over fight. But that does not put you in the same position as fleeing Ukrainians.
I would like to see safe haven for Russians who oppose Putin. Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. There was a news segment about a Russian expat who's been campaigning abroad against the regime for over 10 years and now she gets insulted by random people. This was somewhere in Spain but could as well be any other country. They are desperately fleeing the regime to avoid being arrested. Others lost t…
>Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. there are a lot of reasons for that. There is really something non-human in Russians attacking Ukrainians. Even for me, a Russian well familiar with history and overall situation there, it is still hard to believe that Russians so easily went into that war. That makes anybody naturally question their existing perception of what Russians really is, and that is whe…
This reasoning/process is dehumanisation, and is the secret sauce in getting people to commit atrocities against other people. No matter how well-intentioned you yourself might be, please do not perpetuate dehumanising language.
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Lots of EU and NATO countries are post-soviet. The difference is only 1 or 2 generations away. When you have an incompatible religion, it's not generations away, when those generations hold on to that religion. That is the difference between Europeans with an older mentality, and people coming from a religion that doesn't share European values.
> European values Which ones would those be?
- equality
- democracy
- Separation of powers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers)
- ...
See for official EU value: https://ec.europa.eu/component-library/eu/about/eu-values/
This is a great idea and a good way to help people hit the ground running. One small nit pick, when I have adblock on, the page shows "0 available tech jobs", and your target audience are people who are more likely than average to use adblock.
I'm sorry to go off on a tangent, but the modern americanisms and other figuratives of english perpetually amuse me. First because people get so used to internet-powered mannerisms that even professional writers feel compelled to use contorted turns of phrase even when it would be easier to just employ an old (tired?) verb, adverb or something. The poor verbs suffer from ageism too and are going jobless! Honestly I f…
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Lots of EU and NATO countries are post-soviet. The difference is only 1 or 2 generations away. When you have an incompatible religion, it's not generations away, when those generations hold on to that religion. That is the difference between Europeans with an older mentality, and people coming from a religion that doesn't share European values.
That is a BIG generalisation and assumes there is a compatible religion. This is why Ukrainian propaganda is so dangerous. Poland and Hungary still have massive problems with LGBT rights and general tolerance. All signs point to the fact that Ukraine will be similar if not worse.
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> European values Which ones would those be?
- law above religion - equality - democracy - Separation of powers ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers ) - ... See for official EU value: https://ec.europa.eu/component-library/eu/about/eu-values/
The crux of the problem here is that people are searching for reasons to justify actions that are rooted in racism. That is how you end up with vague discussions about feelings, incompatible cultures, "values" and so on.
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> European values Which ones would those be?
- law above religion - equality - democracy - Separation of powers ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers ) - ... See for official EU value: https://ec.europa.eu/component-library/eu/about/eu-values/
When the laws come about as functions of entrenched religious thinking, one is not above the other. This value is also not listed on the page you link.
> equality
Clearly not, as not all refugees are equal.
> Democracy
You've got me there.
Many of the listed values are there for PR purposes: The practicalities of daily living are different or in some aspects even very different.