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Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics

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Post by skissane »

cycomanic wrote: post #66
skissane wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Racial blindness is still a form of blindness I'm Australian, born in the 1980s, spent my whole life here. I can tell you growing up we rarely (if ever) thought about "who is what race". In part it is a cultural thing – in my lifetime, official Australian society (government/media/etc) has discouraged talk of "races", encouraging people to instead identify via finer-grained nationality/ethnicity/culture labels – i.…

I agree with you that the US has a weird fixation on race. As a German I always cringe when I hear the term, because nobody (even strongly bigotet people) would use the term for humans since the 40s. And there is really no biological justification. Skin color does not correlate with genetic differences, in other words two people with different skin colors can be much more similar to two other people with the same. Th…

> That doesn't mean that there isn't racism and I'm not sure if a country like Australia has "racial blindness" (whatever that means). Australia has huge issues with xenophobia and attitudes which would be called racist in the US are widespread, they just don't focus on race but on ethnicity instead (which IMO is a much better term)

I completely agree Australia has serious issues with xenophobia, and ethnicity-based racism – indeed, my comment to which you are replying mentioned some examples I've witnessed first-hand: anti-Italian prejudice and anti-Lebanese prejudice. But those don't fit well into an American understanding of "racism" which focuses on race rather than ethnicity.

I suppose my point about "blindness" is this – if by it someone means "I don't see prejudice/discrimination/xenophobia/etc", then I agree that is problematic. On the other hand, if someone says "I'm not sure what races are, how many there are, or who is what race; cases of prejudice/discrimination/xenophobia I have personally observed can be understood in terms of language/culture/ethnicity/religion/nationality/etc not race per se" – is one "seeing race"? But even if one is not "seeing race", one is still seeing prejudice.

Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics

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Post by throwaway984393 »

tyingq wrote: post #21
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #6

It's terrible, I love it. I also love that all the setup scripts are badly-written Perl scripts, and even some custom C code just to change the mixer rather than use alsactl. This is 1000% something I would have made years ago. edit Holy moly, the configs are CSV files.... that encode JSON?! And hey, Slack 15 is out! If they do a new release they won't need to release again for another 6 years!

"badly-written Perl scripts" They do appear to be badly written on purpose, like this "hotdog-aboutDrives.pl" one: https://github.com/arthurchoung/HOTDOG/blob/master/hotdog-ab... The entire script is this: #!/usr/bin/perl $str = `df`; print $str;

The rationale: https://hotdoglinux.com/PerlAndUseStrict/index.html

" Most tutorials about Perl will tell you to always 'use strict' or something to that effect. However, the general rule for HOT DOG Linux is to not 'use strict'. The reasoning behind this is that each Perl script should be as simple as possible. It should be simple enough to not need 'use strict'. If it gets to the point where the script would be easier to deal with if it did 'use strict', then that is an indicator that the script is too complicated and should be broken up."

I tried to come up with a comparison for this but failed. It's sort of like saying, "If you need to wear a helmet to do some activity, you should probably ......... break up the activity into three shorter activities ........."

Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics

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Post by ILMostro7 »

skissane wrote: post #68
ILMostro7 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, what's the argument here exactly? Many of those countries were created by colonial powers without regard for culture or any other variation among the people. Perhaps I wasn't lucky enough to benefit from the enlightenment that the British Empire has bestowed upon you. On the other hand, is your idea of "different" just another way to dismiss or categorize people? I don't know. What I do know is that, while certai…

> So, what's the argument here exactly? Many Americans take US-specific cultural concepts about topics such as race, and try to apply them globally, without realising that those concepts fall apart when you try to apply them outside of the specific historical/cultural context in which they evolved. And even in their country of origin, their existence is sustained (in part) by ignoring the existence of people who don'…

We are having at least 2 different discussions here. From a biological perspective, again, we are human beings. I can easily agree with you here, and with any of your arguments in fact. But in real life, skin pigmentation and other differences that have been attributed to the term "race" have an impact on a person's perception, whether or not they admit/realize it.

My argument may be misguided or even wrong in any sense of that term, but I do not think it is naive. Whereas your views may be right, but I still think they are naive.

Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics

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Post by KerrAvon »

layer8 wrote: post #41
msla wrote: post #32

I don't get how a lack of Unicode support has anything to do with making an OS shell that's visually ugly and old-fashioned. There's a difference between being ugly and being broken.

Simplicity. Full Unicode support is horridly complex.

What does it mean in practice, though? Only ASCII is supported by the UI layer? Latin-1? MacRoman?

Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics

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Post by eyelidlessness »

moltke wrote: post #24
ForOldHack wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"badly-written Perl scripts..." You are much too kind to the monkeys who put this together. The config is nice, but Chicago? Chicago font? I thought that was buried deep, long ago.

Am I weird for liking Chicago?

Sincerely, no, it is a good low PPI font with a lot of (ugh actually unintended pun) character for its historical use.

Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics

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Post by hnlmorg »

layer8 wrote: post #43
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #6

It's terrible, I love it. I also love that all the setup scripts are badly-written Perl scripts, and even some custom C code just to change the mixer rather than use alsactl. This is 1000% something I would have made years ago. edit Holy moly, the configs are CSV files.... that encode JSON?! And hey, Slack 15 is out! If they do a new release they won't need to release again for another 6 years!

> CSV files.... that encode JSON?! We need a new schema language with the ability to specify such cross-format …formats.

I use jsonlines on those occasions https://jsonlines.org/examples/

Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics

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Post by throwaway984393 »

KerrAvon wrote: post #74
layer8 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simplicity. Full Unicode support is horridly complex.

What does it mean in practice, though? Only ASCII is supported by the UI layer? Latin-1? MacRoman?

The window manager seems to do a bunch of different things, some with files and input, so basically it would expect non-UTF text for those operations

Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics

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Post by skissane »

ILMostro7 wrote: post #73
skissane wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So, what's the argument here exactly? Many Americans take US-specific cultural concepts about topics such as race, and try to apply them globally, without realising that those concepts fall apart when you try to apply them outside of the specific historical/cultural context in which they evolved. And even in their country of origin, their existence is sustained (in part) by ignoring the existence of people who don'…

We are having at least 2 different discussions here. From a biological perspective, again, we are human beings. I can easily agree with you here, and with any of your arguments in fact. But in real life, skin pigmentation and other differences that have been attributed to the term "race" have an impact on a person's perception, whether or not they admit/realize it. My argument may be misguided or even wrong in any se…

> But in real life, skin pigmentation and other differences that have been attributed to the term "race" have an impact on a person's perception, whether or not they admit/realize it.

I think, in the US, skin pigmentation has historically acted as a metonym for the social divide between European-Americans and African-Americans. But, it would be a mistake to take the metonym too literally – and people who are neither have always been somewhat out-of-place, and as the US becomes more diverse the number of people who don't belong to either side continues to grow. Some Indians have darker skin than some African-Americans do – would you expect therefore, that when those Indians immigrate to the US, they'll encounter worse treatment than lighter-skinned African-Americans? I don't think anyone believes that is what actually happens. That's not to say that they don't sometimes experience discrimination to a degree which lighter-skinned Indians do not (whether in India or in the US), but it is an overly simplistic model of how US society actually works to suggest that there is such a simple correlation between one's skin tone and one's societal privilege.

Also, "white" people aren't all one skin tone. My wife and I are both of predominantly northern/western European descent, yet my skin tone is somewhat more "olive", hers is quite pale. In many Irish families with slightly darker skin, the darker skin tone is explained through the legend of Spanish ancestry (ship-wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada) – I've heard that legend with respect to both my parents' families. Am I, as a slightly-more-olive person of European descent, discriminated against compared to paler-skinned people of European descent? Not as far as I am aware. But, that once again shows that there is no simple and historically universal correlation between skin tone and privilege.

> My argument may be misguided or even wrong in any sense of that term, but I do not think it is naive.

You are American? You seem to keep on making the assumption that ideas derived from American culture are universally applicable, even when more than one non-American tells you that they are not. How is that not naïve?

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