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Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics
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Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Based on the design goals, I would guess that they intentionally want a PID 1 that doesn't properly handle and pass signals to child processes :-D
write the init as a perl script; you know you want to.
If people can make emacs pid 1 and run the system in lisp, surely perl can do the job! Or maybe that doesn't follow; emacs is already its own OS...
Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have lived in multiple countries across different continents. Even if race was not as big of a hot topic issue, eceryone could tell if a person of a different race is standing in front of them. Really? I'm of predominantly Irish-British descent – are Spaniards, Italians, Greeks a "different race" from me? How about Turks, Syrians, Lebanese, Israelis, Palestinians, Egyptians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Armenians, Azerbai…
The United States government pigeon holes all human beings into five racial categories[0]. All of Eurasia is White, including the Middle East and India. I imagine this is policy driven but haven’t speculated much. It’s an oddity that seems to percolate culturally as well. [0] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/note/US/RHI625219 Not defending OP here, just providing some possible context for their unfortunate choi…
Oh yes, I'm familiar with the US Census Bureau's definition of "races". They themselves admit that it is a US-specific cultural construct: "The racial categories included in the census questionnaire generally reflect a social definition of race recognized in this country and not an attempt to define race biologically, anthropologically, or genetically. In addition, it is recognized that the categories of the race item include racial and national origin or sociocultural groups." [0]
And yet many Americans seem to treat it, not as a cultural construct specific to their own country, but rather as some sort of objective universal fact. The idea of "race" in itself is not specific to the US, of course – but the US seems to be one of the few countries in which it has been elevated into a government-mandated formal categorisation scheme, as opposed to a vague and ambiguous informal concept.
> All of Eurasia is White, including the Middle East and India
Not India. People from "the Indian subcontinent" are classified as "Asian" not "White", with India and Pakistan explicitly called out as "Asian". I believe, that as far as the US government is concerned, the boundary between "White" and "Asian" runs along the Iran-Pakistan and Afghanistan-Pakistan border. So, a Pashtun is "White" if they come from Afghanistan, but "Asian" if they come from Pakistan? It seems utterly ludicrous – and yet, so many Americans seem unable to see just how ludicrous it is.
> I imagine this is policy driven but haven’t speculated much. It’s an oddity that seems to percolate culturally as well.
I don't think it can be explained simply as "policy-driven" or "culture-driven", I think there is a circular feedback loop "culture -> politics -> policy -> culture".
[0] https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html
Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics
#64I remember using a program called HotDog Professional a long time ago. Brings back memories.
Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
It goes back to the civil war and every step of the way when black people here were actively denied their rights that the civil war was supposed to have guaranteed them. I have lived in multiple countries across different continents. Even if race was not as big of a hot topic issue, eceryone could tell if a person of a different race is standing in front of them. So, to simply say racial blindness is the way to go is…
> black people here were actively denied their rights that the civil war was supposed to have guaranteed them. The Civil War was not supposed to have guaranteed anyone any rights. Some changes to the Constitution rammed through after the Civil War were, but it's important to separate those from the war, which was about the objective that, even before the rebellion, the notionally-abolitionist Republicans expressly pu…
Granted.
Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
yikes. Racial blindness is still a form of blindness. If everyone spent more time working on their own shit everyone would be better off. Instead, one side is scared of and angry at the other side, easily leading to stubborn refusal to grow or down a slippery slope towards hatred or indifference.
> Racial blindness is still a form of blindness I'm Australian, born in the 1980s, spent my whole life here. I can tell you growing up we rarely (if ever) thought about "who is what race". In part it is a cultural thing – in my lifetime, official Australian society (government/media/etc) has discouraged talk of "races", encouraging people to instead identify via finer-grained nationality/ethnicity/culture labels – i.…
I agree with you that the US has a weird fixation on race. As a German I always cringe when I hear the term, because nobody (even strongly bigotet people) would use the term for humans since the 40s.
And there is really no biological justification. Skin color does not correlate with genetic differences, in other words two people with different skin colors can be much more similar to two other people with the same.
That doesn't mean that there isn't racism and I'm not sure if a country like Australia has "racial blindness" (whatever that means). Australia has huge issues with xenophobia and attitudes which would be called racist in the US are widespread, they just don't focus on race but on ethnicity instead (which IMO is a much better term)
Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have lived in multiple countries across different continents. Even if race was not as big of a hot topic issue, eceryone could tell if a person of a different race is standing in front of them. Really? I'm of predominantly Irish-British descent – are Spaniards, Italians, Greeks a "different race" from me? How about Turks, Syrians, Lebanese, Israelis, Palestinians, Egyptians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Armenians, Azerbai…
The United States government pigeon holes all human beings into five racial categories[0]. All of Eurasia is White, including the Middle East and India. I imagine this is policy driven but haven’t speculated much. It’s an oddity that seems to percolate culturally as well. [0] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/note/US/RHI625219 Not defending OP here, just providing some possible context for their unfortunate choi…
For what it's worth, my aim was to disavow anyone from claiming that they are "color-blind" even when they have good intentions. I should demand of myself to grant the same level of respect and courtesy to anyone else regardless of their race.
The reasoning there is due to the fact that, in the US at least, race is often tied to identity, in terms of background, culture, and even experience in daily life.
Ultimately, as I eluded to, we should all try to be better people first and foremost. I'm not saying that calling out and standing up to injustice is not important. But we each have the potential to control our own actions much more so than to control anyone else's.
Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have lived in multiple countries across different continents. Even if race was not as big of a hot topic issue, eceryone could tell if a person of a different race is standing in front of them. Really? I'm of predominantly Irish-British descent – are Spaniards, Italians, Greeks a "different race" from me? How about Turks, Syrians, Lebanese, Israelis, Palestinians, Egyptians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Armenians, Azerbai…
So, what's the argument here exactly? Many of those countries were created by colonial powers without regard for culture or any other variation among the people. Perhaps I wasn't lucky enough to benefit from the enlightenment that the British Empire has bestowed upon you. On the other hand, is your idea of "different" just another way to dismiss or categorize people? I don't know. What I do know is that, while certai…
> So, what's the argument here exactly?
Many Americans take US-specific cultural concepts about topics such as race, and try to apply them globally, without realising that those concepts fall apart when you try to apply them outside of the specific historical/cultural context in which they evolved. And even in their country of origin, their existence is sustained (in part) by ignoring the existence of people who don't fit into them – so long as those people remain a small enough minority, they can be ignored. If they start to get too numerous and loud, political pressure will result in changes to the scheme to try to accomodate them, through the addition of yet further categories – but failing to address the fundamental problem that trying to reduce the immense biological and cultural diversity of humanity to a small number of coarse categories is a fool's errand.
> I am able to tell the difference between a person from Sub-Saharan Africa, for example, and North Africa.
If you look at the transition zone between the two – places like southern Egypt and northern Sudan – you will find many people whose physical appearance is somewhere in-between the two. You seem to be ignoring the existence of those people.
> China and Europe and India.
Europeans and northern Indians are historically related peoples – they both speak Indo-European languages, Hindi and English are distant relatives of each other. They are both cultural/linguistic descendants of the ancient Aryans, and also have some common biological/genetic ancestry. So what makes them "different races"? Some Pakistanis look rather European – seen most strongly in groups such as the Kalash and Nurstanis – are they a "different race" from Europeans? Why?
The majority of Indians are by ancestry a mixture of Aryan and Dravidian, with greater Aryan ancestry in the north and greater Dravidian ancestry in the south. Does that mean Indians are actually two different races? But the reality is the majority of Indians have ancestry from both–few Indians are purely descended from one or the other–so the idea of classifying Indian people into separate Aryan and Dravidian "races" doesn't work. And don't forget North East India – the majority of people from there have more linguistically and genetically in common with the peoples of China and Tibet and Southeast Asia than with people in the rest of India. What race are they?
> I do get the underlying idea, though. I just think it's naive.
I think your ideas on this topic are naïve.
Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have lived in multiple countries across different continents. Even if race was not as big of a hot topic issue, eceryone could tell if a person of a different race is standing in front of them. Really? I'm of predominantly Irish-British descent – are Spaniards, Italians, Greeks a "different race" from me? How about Turks, Syrians, Lebanese, Israelis, Palestinians, Egyptians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Armenians, Azerbai…
So, what's the argument here exactly? Many of those countries were created by colonial powers without regard for culture or any other variation among the people. Perhaps I wasn't lucky enough to benefit from the enlightenment that the British Empire has bestowed upon you. On the other hand, is your idea of "different" just another way to dismiss or categorize people? I don't know. What I do know is that, while certai…
What is race? The problem with the term race is that implies genetic differences where there are none.
Regarding being able to tell apart races by looking at them, I highly doubt you could I mean are a black US American and a Nigerian the same race? How about a Namibian? In the US the Nigerian would be classified as African American which says a lot about the ridiculousness.
Re: Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics
#70I remember using a program called HotDog Professional a long time ago. Brings back memories.
HotDog was sweet. Back when nobody cared what the code looked like. All you needed was a WYSIWYG editor to be a powerful webmaster, and "deployment" was just FTP