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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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I didn’t know this is for the senate to decide, and find that surprising, given that most of Arizona doesn’t do DST at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Arizona : “Arizona does not observe daylight saving time (DST), with the exception of the Navajo Nation, which does observe DST. The Hopi Reservation, which is not part of the Navajo Nation but is geographically surrounded by it, also does not observe DST.[2…

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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

The problem is that there are three options: 1) Permanent DST 2) Permanent Standard Time 3) Status Quo And the problem is that, at least based on what I've gathered anecdotally from speaking to people and from which side the media pushes, preferences are usually 1-2-3, followed by 2-1-3, followed by 2-3-1, with anyone who prefers the status quo in dead last. Personally I prefer standard time to DST as well, but we do…

I could not stand a permanent standard time. The sun would rise at 4:15 in the summer. The sun already rises way to early in the summer, making it even earlier would be unimaginable.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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How out of date is Congress.gov, which still shows this bill as having last action in March of 2021 and the status is "referred to committee" which is where all the legislation I care about seems to go to die. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623 Why is Twitter a better place to get this news than a .gov website that seems like it was built for it?

Wow, good observation. This is supremely messed up.

Twitter is not a government affiliated entity, it seems inappropriate for public officials to endorse (bless?) a singular non-state-owner platform this way.

How can we trust Twitter not to manipulate information for their own gain and agenda? Oh, wait..

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#804
Glad that they're trying to simplify it, though it'ld seem obnoxious to maintain a 1-hour addition to the discrepancy between solar-time and clock-time.

It'ld seem far more sensible to have a system that tries to align clock-noon with solar-noon (this is, noon on a [sun-dial](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundial )). After that, if folks want to change whatever times work/school/etc. are at, awesome, folks can change such times -- as a matter of scheduling, without obfuscating clock-times.

I guess it doesn't matter too much. Computers should be able to re-interpret times, such that different folks in the same community could use different time-systems, while computers would automatically interpret between them for users' convenience. Then, folks could pick the time-system of their choice without regard for what their peers use -- much like no-one cares what font-size others use -- rendering the exact choice of standard a relatively low-level primitive-formatting-detail.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#805

Back in '08 when the US dates of DST changed, I was working on a Java-based enterprise software product with a relatively large install base. It suddenly became known to a lot of customers that timezone tables are part of the JRE, and simply updating the OS wasn't enough to get proper time calculations in Java. It was a very stressful time getting customers with many different versions of Java across dozens of platfo…

I remember this too. The major difference is things auto-update more frequently, and people have higher bandwidth connections. So it's less of a problem that 14 years ago, luckily.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

I would love having more sun after work, but I don't know that it's worth the tradeoff of safety. On the shortest days the sun rises at 8:18am for me, so I usually start biking to work shortly after sunrise. On DST that sunrise would be 9:18am, well after my daily standup time. I'd be biking in twilight, if not nautical night. I already hate biking in the dark for safety reasons, I'd probably start driving more.

As a daily bike commuter, I have the opposite problem. I never bike to work in the morning before the sun rises (not even close), but in the winter the sun is setting before 5pm which leaves my entire ride home in darkness. Having more light in the evening would help a lot.

It also seems to me like your job starts a bit early in the day, relative to most tech jobs anyway. If I get in before 10 I'm usually the first one there in the morning.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#807

The whole world going to the same time zone, usually proposed in these discussions, doesn't work - sun-time dissociates with clock-time, making words like "night" and "noon" confusing. However, I would like to see a North American Standard time (NAT): Set the clock at half-way between US Mountain and Central times and apply it to all of North America (with maybe a few extreme exceptions, such as western Alaska and Ha…

Sounds crazy, but works for India and China, so it's not impossible, just very very improbable ;_)

China has a fucked up time variance, not so much India.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#809

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

I think the problem is that people don't understand what "permanent Daylights Savings Time" really means. If you ask "Would you like the sun to set later in the evening?" most people will say yes. Who doesn't like more sunlight? If you ask "Would you rather go to bed early and wake up early, or go to bed later and wake up later?" most people will choose to stay up late and sleep in the next day. There might be some d…

Circadian rhythms can adjust once you’ve been on a schedule for a couple of weeks.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

All of this could be moot if China pursues/completes its plan of putting artificial "moons" up to provide 8 times the light of a full moon. Then it would be relatively light all the time.

well that just seems like the worst sort of idea. lets just totally screw over nocturnal animals
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