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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by withzombies »

mdturnerphys wrote: post #146

More info here: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-tha... Important note: "Senator Marco Rubio said after input from airlines and broadcasters that supporters agreed that the change would not take place until November 2023."

The Hill article[1] says it won't go into effect until November 20, 2023.

> The proposal would not take effect until Nov. 20, 2023, to give airlines and other transportation industries more time to adjust to the change.

But we switch back to standard time on November 5, 2023. Just to get two weeks of that until we switch back to summer time permanently?

[1] https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/598314-senate-unanimousl...

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #26

Such a terrible idea compared to permanent standard time. There is plenty of light during the summer, so there's no need to optimize for that. The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for.

If you're a person with a normal day job or who goes to school (i.e. practically everyone), an extra hour of sunlight in the morning is wasted on the job or school; an extra hour of sunlight in the evening is more likely to be on your time.

My seasonal affect disorder kicks in hard when we leave DST every winter. This is the first bit of great news I've heard all year.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by FL410 »

bduerst wrote: post #198
TheCoelacanth wrote: post #26

Such a terrible idea compared to permanent standard time. There is plenty of light during the summer, so there's no need to optimize for that. The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for.

Why not just ditch time zones altogether and have everyone on the same clock? DST was good enough to implement while in an agrarian society, so why not the universal clock in a global connected society? Just imagine the precision.

This is my dream. It's just a number. But getting the general population to wake up at say 2130 and go to sleep at 1030...well, good luck.

Also destroys the idea of a 9-to-5 job. Make it start at :30 if that's better for the longitude.

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Post by travisjungroth »

hinkley wrote: post #214

I think I can say this on behalf of most developers who have ever had to fix DST errors in their code: Thank fucking god. I am shocked that none of our unit tests failed on Monday. One of the first code reviews I did here I pointed out that his tests were going to break in a few months when DST kicked in because his tests asserted that there was a 24 hour gap between two calculations. He responded this code was tempo…

Fixed one of these yesterday!

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Post by echelon »

humansuit wrote: post #177

As long as they eliminate the constant inane switching back and forth. Sleep disruption is harmful in many ways and all this practice seems to actually do, old wives' tales about farmers and circumstantial localized benefits aside, is induce it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5449130/

Night owl and average night enjoyer me thinks this was the right choice.

I want more daylight after work to enjoy. I know the counter claim, "but you could start your day earlier".

All I can say is that this change works for me. I love summer nights, having dusk arrive at almost 10 PM. They're the perfect days.

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Post by codazoda »

How out of date is Congress.gov, which still shows this bill as having last action in March of 2021 and the status is "referred to committee" which is where all the legislation I care about seems to go to die.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623

Why is Twitter a better place to get this news than a .gov website that seems like it was built for it?

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Post by notatoad »

tastyfreeze wrote: post #273
chapium wrote: post #47

I know this is hardly a radical take, but I don't care what time it is. I can adjust my schedule appropriately. What I hate is changing the time. It makes us all sicker, causes accidents, and workers in certain professions have to work weird hours to keep up with the changes. It's such a drag on the economy and only seems to serve a small fragment of society.

Which fragment of society are you thinking time changing benefits? The common one I hear is farmers. Which is complete BS. Farmers work by the sun because the plants and animals they care for don't use clocks. https://agamerica.com/blog/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time...

the idea that DST happens for the farmers has always been pretty funny to me, because the one province in canada that doesn't observe DST is the province that has nothing but farmland.

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Post by slaymaker1907 »

jp57 wrote: post #77

I mentioned something similar in a comment last year, but I think there's going to be a lot of moaning about late sunrises in US in December. Roughly 8:15-8:20 am around the solstice in New York, DC, Chicago, and even Austin. Not til nearly 9am in Seattle. The sun won't rise before 8am in NYC for basically all of December and January. I'd even be willing to guess that the amount of moaning might be equal to what we g…

There really isn't a way to make things nice in Seattle as far as time zone manipulation goes. Overall, I think permanent DST is the best option since it means avoiding biannual clock changes while avoiding it being light at 4am during the summer (as would be the case for permanent standard time).

However, my opinion on this bill is that states should be able to decide what is best for them. Currently, they can only use DST switching clocks biannually or go to permanent standard time. They should also have the option to go to permanent DST. Honestly, they should just give states full control over their timezone. Let them go to UTC if they really want to. The only stipulation I would make is that having more than one timezone per state should require approval from the federal government (to avoid making things too complicated) and to put limits on how often it can be changed.

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Post by nfw2 »

My personal pet peeve is when people write the Standard Time acronym when scheduling cross-timezone meetings, despite the fact that it is Daylight Saving Time. (Eg. "I'll call you tomorrow at 4pm PST.")

In the past, I've gotten paranoid that they may live somewhere that doesn't observe Daylight Savings, but I also don't want to seem like a pedant by bringing up their mistake.

I'm curious if this change will make this sort of thing more or less common.

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