Watching Americans freak out about post-8AM sunrises is surreal to me. The sun doesn't rise until 8:45 during the darkest times of the year here in the Netherlands and its really not much of an issue. Whether standard time or summer time is the better choice here is something I hold no opinion on, but the sheer hysteria some people here express is very overblown.
US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#602I'm all for either implementation of this (standard or savings); I have no particular skin in the game when it comes down to where daylight hours are positioned. Having lived about a decade in Arizona it literally never negatively impacted my life once. Since moving I've come to participate in what seems to be the standard dread of moving hours back and forth. I either lose sleep and need to adjust my Circadian rhyth…
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#603Sometimes the ignorance of lawmakers is just baffling. I mean there is pretty much a scientific consensus as far as I know that switching to permanent DST is a quite unhealthy choice for the larger part of the population, which happen to already be negative affected by other effects also balanced against them. Just to be clear I don't know if it's worse then DST switching. But it's worse then permanent "normal" (i.e.…
Your claim that DST is worse for health than standard time IN THE ABSENCE of seasonal switching seems doubtful. Got a source?
Wrt. sources I don't have any english ones at hand without looking them up. But it shouldn't be to hard to find. I mean like I said it's pretty much consensus as far as I know between sleep scientist.
Through like always it's a bit more nounced, like it's not worse for all people, but the larger group of people and it makes effects of social jetlack and similar worse (as it overlaps with them, maybe also because of people will change their action but that's hard to include in a prediction).
EDIT: I'm currently wondering if less healthy working conditions in the US might affect what is worse/better. Also the consensus is wrt. Germany not necessary the US, I was a bit oversimplifying things.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#604I think I can say this on behalf of most developers who have ever had to fix DST errors in their code: Thank fucking god. I am shocked that none of our unit tests failed on Monday. One of the first code reviews I did here I pointed out that his tests were going to break in a few months when DST kicked in because his tests asserted that there was a 24 hour gap between two calculations. He responded this code was tempo…
I support the change, but it means we'll have yet another edge case in time handling.
Moving DST is my pettiest reason for disliking George W Bush. Flashbacks to the last few times I had to fix time offsets for some country or state that opted out.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#605I think I can say this on behalf of most developers who have ever had to fix DST errors in their code: Thank fucking god. I am shocked that none of our unit tests failed on Monday. One of the first code reviews I did here I pointed out that his tests were going to break in a few months when DST kicked in because his tests asserted that there was a 24 hour gap between two calculations. He responded this code was tempo…
I think it just means for all American developers it's _more_ likely they'll introduce bugs if they cater to an international audience and there's still countries with DST.
DST has always been a good way to get Devs to think about the timezone database. If people start relying on offsets more that's not a net good thing, until the entire world is done with DST.
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#608We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#609We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...
But as others have said, Arizona (sans some reservations and jurisdictions) have been fine so maybe history won't repeat itself. And of course there are plenty of countries worldwide that don't have DST anyways.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#610I am an idiot. Would this mean that the time stays as it is right now (after the change from this past weekend)? Because I would love that so much.
My understanding is that that the house has no plans to pick up this senate bill. So this was a purely symbolic vote. Nothing actually happened. This bill has not made it into law and most likely never will