I wonder why the USA is so supportive of this, but so against metric?
US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#582I will never understand why we change the clock instead of changing our habits. Well, maybe in a time when we didn't have computers it was simpler to just put the clock ahead or behind an hour, but nowadays it creates a ton of complexity for nothing. Isn't it simpler to just shift our times, for example in the summer start to work at 9:00 and in the winter at 8:00? Beside, if we have to choose a time, why not choose…
> Isn't it simpler to just shift our times, for example in the summer start to work at 9:00 and in the winter at 8:00? You make this sound so simple, but the "our" you're referring to is "hundreds of thousands of employers". Yes, it is simpler to change the time than to convince every single employer to voluntarily shift their working hours in tandem with everyone else. Even one would be practically impossible: every…
To me that just makes what DST really does transparent. It makes everyone shift their schedules, whether they want to or not.
About the meeting example, I don't think GP meant purple who like DST should change their clocks, they should just change their schedules. If you want more sunlight after work, arrive earlier and leave earlier. After all, that is effectively what DST forces everyone to do.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#583Sometimes the ignorance of lawmakers is just baffling. I mean there is pretty much a scientific consensus as far as I know that switching to permanent DST is a quite unhealthy choice for the larger part of the population, which happen to already be negative affected by other effects also balanced against them. Just to be clear I don't know if it's worse then DST switching. But it's worse then permanent "normal" (i.e.…
Your claim that DST is worse for health than standard time IN THE ABSENCE of seasonal switching seems doubtful. Got a source?
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#584And then some cities in Canada are going to have the sun rise at 10am in the winter. There is no win on this one, shift it one way, Group A gets screwed, shift it the other way and Group B gets screwed, flip it back and forth and everyone complains.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#585I will never understand why we change the clock instead of changing our habits. Well, maybe in a time when we didn't have computers it was simpler to just put the clock ahead or behind an hour, but nowadays it creates a ton of complexity for nothing. Isn't it simpler to just shift our times, for example in the summer start to work at 9:00 and in the winter at 8:00? Beside, if we have to choose a time, why not choose…
Uh.. in this age of everyones important clocks (like phones, computers) auto updating.. there's literally nothing to do.
You are suggesting changing work schedule hours, school times, etc half the year and you call that more simple? Wow.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#586We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...
Ah! The difference is that in today's political climate, nobody will admit they were wrong about anything. So it will probably stick.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#587This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…
The sun currently rises at 5:30 in the summer where I live. It would just not be acceptable for it to rise at 4:30.
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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#588>Sunshine Protection Act Jesus, does everything need to be hyperbolic virtue signaling. Won't someone please think of the children!
>Jesus, does everything need to be hyperbolic virtue signaling. It's a bit ironic given the current anti-Russia everything when Russia is the largest country in the world on permanent DST. If the bill had been subject to debate instead of going through so fast, I suspect someone would have brought up the Russia connection and the whole thing would have died a quick death as "we don't want to be like the Russians".
>Russia is the largest country in the world on permanent DST.
Actually, Russia tried permanent DST, but then switched to permanent standard time 3 years later after that turned out to be a terrible idea:
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#589We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...
Its so strange how people on this thread are complaining about the issues you mentioned, but twice every year I see articles on hackernews/other areas about how bad the effects of changing time to DST and back and how detrimental it is for everyone's health. People can't have it both ways. My gut suspicion is why this passed is people are more angrier and stressed out/depressed than they have been in a very long time…
I see it too (work to elect Dems). Especially if gas is over $5 past august. Seeing signs it will cool down though?
Subsidizing gas seems like obvious on paper but fraught with problems especially with inflation (and opposite of what's needed for climate change).
Would love to see federal legalization, or at least decriminalization of marijuana. IDK if only decriminalization would hold up with reconciliation but I think regulating it legalized commerce would.
And sad to say but assuming Roe is gutted/thrown to the states that could galvanize turnout on both sides, hopefully to our benefit. We'll see what games are played with Jackson's nomination too
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#590We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...
No, 50 years ago people had different lifestyles, jobs, and hobbies. Technology as we know it today did not exist. It's a very different world today and the chances of a different outcome are large enough to warrant repeating this.