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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by eldenbishop »

hinkley wrote: post #214

I think I can say this on behalf of most developers who have ever had to fix DST errors in their code: Thank fucking god. I am shocked that none of our unit tests failed on Monday. One of the first code reviews I did here I pointed out that his tests were going to break in a few months when DST kicked in because his tests asserted that there was a 24 hour gap between two calculations. He responded this code was tempo…

LOL - this is good timing. A bunch of my unit tests just started failing due to the recent DST transition. Luckily our CI build servers are all GMT so it only failed on local runs. But even better if this problem went away altogether.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by [deleted] »

zozbot234 wrote: post #349
humansuit wrote: post #177

As long as they eliminate the constant inane switching back and forth. Sleep disruption is harmful in many ways and all this practice seems to actually do, old wives' tales about farmers and circumstantial localized benefits aside, is induce it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5449130/

The point of that 'switching back and forth' between standard time and DST is to let the clock approximate a constant time for dawn, which in turn should lead to the most efficient use of daylight. Permanent DST just ensures very dark mornings around the Winter Solstice period - December and January especially, Nov and Feb to a lesser extent - which in turn means more stress (since it's a lot harder to wake up with n…

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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by humanistbot »

paxys wrote: post #362
patwolf wrote: post #343

Back in '08 when the US dates of DST changed, I was working on a Java-based enterprise software product with a relatively large install base. It suddenly became known to a lot of customers that timezone tables are part of the JRE, and simply updating the OS wasn't enough to get proper time calculations in Java. It was a very stressful time getting customers with many different versions of Java across dozens of platfo…

Considering how frequently time zones around the world change, any OS or software that doesn't auto update them from a standard list at this point deserves to break.

You've obviously never worked with clients.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by stult »

metafunctor wrote: post #382
Smithalicious wrote: post #269

Watching Americans freak out about post-8AM sunrises is surreal to me. The sun doesn't rise until 8:45 during the darkest times of the year here in the Netherlands and its really not much of an issue. Whether standard time or summer time is the better choice here is something I hold no opinion on, but the sheer hysteria some people here express is very overblown.

Wasn't there a study or two that living on the western edge of a time zone poses higher health risks, presumably because people have to get up before sunrise to get to work. This why I, personally, would prefer standard time over DST. I really hate early mornings, and DST causes all mornings to be one hour earlier. EDIT: Googled a quick link about this: https://www.sciencealert.com/a-neurologist-explains-why-dayl...

Yeah, this is what makes me mad about this debate. Permanent DST proponents talk about how they like having daylight at the end of the day after work. Well, weigh that mild preference against the very real physiological harm it causes. They want to enjoy their afternoons. I want to work a normal 9-5 job without getting heart disease because of the stress of waking up before sunrise eight months out of the year.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by mmazing »

thehappypm wrote: post #131

People literally die more because of these changes. Statistically measurable increase in mortality on these days. Save lives, stop changing the clocks.

Somehow other parts of the world (like the Netherlands) still manage to exist.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by AngryData »

How about we just abolish the whole debate by moving the clocks 6 hours and making it permanent. Then nobody can complaint about sunrise versus sunset times because they will have to choose new hours to start and close at anyways and they can make it whatever they want. It shouldn't be necessary, but I find this entire debate ridiculous to the extreme. The clocks don't determine your hours of activity and sleep, you and your business does and they can be changed at any time for any or no reason at all.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by eli »

thehappypm wrote: post #375
ddlatham wrote: post #360

We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...

I don’t get this at all. Why would people want the sun to go down in the afternoon? In my time zone it sets at 4:30 part of the year! That’s awful, and sunrise is at around 7:00am. We have way more sun in the morning.

I don't particularly care whether the sun rises or sets +/- 1 hour. I do care about having my routine and sleep schedule disrupted.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by rdtwo »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #442
D13Fd wrote: post #403

I really don't like that they picked permanent DST. Does no one realize that this means that we all have to get up one hour earlier year round? That kids will have to travel to school in the dark for the majority of the year, including in most cases standing around in the freezing cold at unlit bus stops? It's still better than resetting the clocks. But I really they should have chosen standard time. Also, this means…

Does no one realize that this means that we all have to get up one hour earlier year round? 9 months after the final change, it'll just be regular time and it'll no longer be early. That kids will have to travel to school in the dark for the majority of the year, including in most cases standing around in the freezing cold at unlit bus stops? Why are your stops unlit? I mean, that isn't due to the time, but a basic i…

It affects folks up north more where we leave in the dark and come home in by the dark and it totally sucks. This way us north folks will see an extra hour of light in the winter maybe do more outside stuff after work.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by paxys »

ddlatham wrote: post #360

We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...

You conveniently skipped the last line of that paragraph

> However, critics argue that anecdotes of deaths in the dark could be equally applied to darker evenings, and that the elimination of Permanent DST was politically motivated.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by LordDragonfang »

standardUser wrote: post #24
s1artibartfast wrote: post #2

>Sunshine Protection Act Jesus, does everything need to be hyperbolic virtue signaling. Won't someone please think of the children!

Nothing these days sounds more like virtue signaling than calling things out as virtue signaling.

I find the term "vice signaling" is often appropriate in these contexts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling#:~:text=%22v...

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